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    Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 11:06am
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I've tried a number over the years and have yet to come across one that ticks all the boxes for me.

Have a nice new certate 2500 to be used for shallow water soft baiting. Beyond the normal considerations of diameter to strength and a supple braid that casts exceptionally well, I often find the braid color hold to be a let down. I like a color that gives me plenty of contrast as laying braid and pick ups on the drop make up the majority of hooks ups for me.

Suggestions please :)
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Hi No Major.

Most of My fishing as in 95% is soft baiting in the shallows - 2 to 10m in & around the foul so the braid gets hammered.
I have used most brands from fire line, power pro which I hate as find it suffers from wind knots so binned that, spider wire didn't last to long  & the Diawa stuff was OK but after 3 or 4 months started to go all fluffy.
Stren was OK but found it fluffed up as well.
I always seemed to go back to the Berkley Fireline, I use the Exceed in the lighter weights 4, 6 & 10lb in the green/yellow, orange & the crystal the 2 coloured ones lose there colour after a while but the crystal doesn't seem to change.
Find it has great knot strength & goes the distance, I fish 1 or 2 times a week & after thousands of casts its still doing the damage.
Just My thoughts, each to there own.
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Varivas. Once you try it, you wont use anything else.
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Cheers shark bait. Actually started on the orange fire line and then the exceed. Have since be talked in to numerous other 'new' braids that have been a let down. Maybe it time to go back to the ole faithful. Cheers

Haven't used varivas, may have to give that a go on the extra spool. Cheers
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Originally posted by Shark-Bait Shark-Bait wrote:

Hi No Major.

Most of My fishing as in 95% is soft baiting in the shallows - 2 to 10m in & around the foul so the braid gets hammered.
I have used most brands from fire line, power pro which I hate as find it suffers from wind knots so binned that, spider wire didn't last to long  & the Diawa stuff was OK but after 3 or 4 months started to go all fluffy.
Stren was OK but found it fluffed up as well.
I always seemed to go back to the Berkley Fireline, I use the Exceed in the lighter weights 4, 6 & 10lb in the green/yellow, orange & the crystal the 2 coloured ones lose there colour after a while but the crystal doesn't seem to change.
Find it has great knot strength & goes the distance, I fish 1 or 2 times a week & after thousands of casts its still doing the damage.
Just My thoughts, each to there own.


Be interested in which Stren you used that "fluffed up", i use stren microfuse and it definately doesnt fluff up( helps being a fused braid though)
Microfuse is definately the best braid that i have ever used and it lasts for years. So easy to see and ties great too (Read the write up about it on a different thread)Wink

edit,... that is why i sell it, wouldnt sell anything i dont use personally
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You have to remember there are many variations of super lines these days.
Braid is a generic name for mostly gel spun lines.

A fantastic and fascinating book by Rod Harrison - "Braid and gel spun super lines" explains an enormous amount.
You have to take into consideration round vs flat weave and a whole host of other factors that mere mortals wouldn't have a clue about.

The thermofused stuff vs twisted vs gelspun vs coated vs true braid is enough to have you reaching for the razor blade.

I've learned a hell of a lot reading this book, understanding the shortcomings of different makes/manufacturers and knowing what I want from the lines I fish.

The Bionic Braid is some of the best stuff out there -
But again, one man's meat is another's poison depending on useage requirements.

Understand what you want to do and achieve with the line and then do some research and make the purchase.


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Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

Originally posted by Shark-Bait Shark-Bait wrote:

Hi No Major.

Most of My fishing as in 95% is soft baiting in the shallows - 2 to 10m in & around the foul so the braid gets hammered.
I have used most brands from fire line, power pro which I hate as find it suffers from wind knots so binned that, spider wire didn't last to long  & the Diawa stuff was OK but after 3 or 4 months started to go all fluffy.
Stren was OK but found it fluffed up as well.
I always seemed to go back to the Berkley Fireline, I use the Exceed in the lighter weights 4, 6 & 10lb in the green/yellow, orange & the crystal the 2 coloured ones lose there colour after a while but the crystal doesn't seem to change.
Find it has great knot strength & goes the distance, I fish 1 or 2 times a week & after thousands of casts its still doing the damage.
Just My thoughts, each to there own.


Be interested in which Stren you used that "fluffed up", i use stren microfuse and it definately doesnt fluff up( helps being a fused braid though)
Microfuse is definately the best braid that i have ever used and it lasts for years. So easy to see and ties great too (Read the write up about it on a different thread)Wink

edit,... that is why i sell it, wouldnt sell anything i dont use personally

Hiya Kaveman

Cant remember which Stern it was apart from it was white & I got it off Green Guy years ago when I was trying different brands of braid for shallow water soft baiting.
Maybe fluffy wasn't the best word more starndy would be a better description, frayed badly only after a few trips so ditched it, maybe just a bad batch.
Did my research & found anything under 10lb in other brands just didn't cut the mustard, for Me anyway.
I do know things have moved on since I started soft baiting but have stuck to what works for Me.
Like i said each to there own.

Cheers SB........Wink


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Hi All, new here,

Have a look here

www.paulusjustfishing.com

Purchased one spool of Chinese 50lb braid and was a nightmare.
Colours leached like it was powdered on there, braid was soft & would knot up worse than a piece of yearling pine, break strain was ok.... never again.

All reels now spooled with Sufix 832 superline.
exactly opposite of what I described. Semi stiff line kind of waxy line, hard packed weave & breaks over rated strength also very thin for its break strain.

A 3/4 full TLD 30II cost about $150 to fill. 500m ish.

I'm sure there are other braids similar so have a shop
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hands down. not cheap but real good quality


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Never had an issue with the Stren Micofuse, I have several reels loaded with it across 3 different weight classes.
Also rate the Amigo braid from GoFish, used the 0.8PE today chasing workups and casting small 35g Maria and Little Jack Jager casting jigs.
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I like Stren Microfuse in 10lb but to be fair I am not a hard core user like many on here. But it lasts me well.
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

I like Stren Microfuse in 10lb but to be fair I am not a hard core user like many on here. But it lasts me well.


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Originally posted by Shark-Bait Shark-Bait wrote:

Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

Originally posted by Shark-Bait Shark-Bait wrote:

Hi No Major.

Most of My fishing as in 95% is soft baiting in the shallows - 2 to 10m in & around the foul so the braid gets hammered.
I have used most brands from fire line, power pro which I hate as find it suffers from wind knots so binned that, spider wire didn't last to long  & the Diawa stuff was OK but after 3 or 4 months started to go all fluffy.
Stren was OK but found it fluffed up as well.
I always seemed to go back to the Berkley Fireline, I use the Exceed in the lighter weights 4, 6 & 10lb in the green/yellow, orange & the crystal the 2 coloured ones lose there colour after a while but the crystal doesn't seem to change.
Find it has great knot strength & goes the distance, I fish 1 or 2 times a week & after thousands of casts its still doing the damage.
Just My thoughts, each to there own.


Be interested in which Stren you used that "fluffed up", i use stren microfuse and it definately doesnt fluff up( helps being a fused braid though)
Microfuse is definately the best braid that i have ever used and it lasts for years. So easy to see and ties great too (Read the write up about it on a different thread)Wink

edit,... that is why i sell it, wouldnt sell anything i dont use personally

Hiya Kaveman

Cant remember which Stern it was apart from it was white & I got it off Green Guy years ago when I was trying different brands of braid for shallow water soft baiting.
Maybe fluffy wasn't the best word more starndy would be a better description, frayed badly only after a few trips so ditched it, maybe just a bad batch.
Did my research & found anything under 10lb in other brands just didn't cut the mustard, for Me anyway.
I do know things have moved on since I started soft baiting but have stuck to what works for Me.
Like i said each to there own.

Cheers SB........Wink




Cheers SB... yes that would be microfuse as GG was selling quite a bit, i prefer the 10lb and above myself, only wind knot i have ever had was on 6lb
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Originally posted by Men In Black Men In Black wrote:

Never had an issue with the Stren Micofuse, I have several reels loaded with it across 3 different weight classes.
Also rate the Amigo braid from GoFish, used the 0.8PE today chasing workups and casting small 35g Maria and Little Jack Jager casting jigs.


what size jigs mate? i picked some of those little jacks the other day 28gm & 40gm. much luck on those?
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Another vote for suffix 832, punches well above its weight.

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how would this stack up? product called Gliss....

At 0.010 diameter, it has 4kg strength.

The potential for Gliss is further boosted by the fact that it can be produced far more quickly and cheaply than braid. Dibisch estimated that it takes around 100 hours to produce 1,000 metres of braid, depending on the type. But he can manufacture the same length of Gliss in a matter of minutes.

“Production is so fast that I am sure it will replace braid in certain fields of fishing,” said Dibisch. “It is ideal for any application where low stretch is an advantage, such as lure fishing and long range fishing. Light lures can be controlled more sensitively than ever before.

“What we have introduced is actually a third generation product,” added Dibisch. “The first and second generations were developed during the testing phase as we worked to make the line as good as possible.”





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832. 6lb & 10lb is super thin, good to cast lighter weights, and have not been able to break it yet. Got the odd wind knot initially but thats me being a manus.

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Originally posted by Big Manly Yaka Big Manly Yaka wrote:

832. 6lb & 10lb is super thin, good to cast lighter weights, and have not been able to break it yet. Got the odd wind knot initially but thats me being a manus.



You cant break it because the 6lb tests at 24.7lb and the 10lb tests at 29.7lb and at .222 and .256mm thick, it is not really super thin eitherWink

definately not saying anything about the quality though as i have never used it personally, good thing about it  is an 8 strand braid(unusual in lighter line classes)
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Thanks for the spec's Kaveman, but i dunno if we're talking about the same stuff? on the label the 6lb says its .14mm and the 10lb is 0.2mm. I know you're a tackle specialist so are there different spec's of this stuff? I got the Ghost (white colour) from Torpedo some time back specifically cause it was so thin. Not sure about the Neon green colour, this might be thicker?


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