I think we got of quite lightly. Just think of the going cost for the next coming years if the flag had of changed?

cirrus wrote: Govt pushed the new flag at every opportunity . They certainly didnt push the keeping of the existing flag. Debate--their was no debate. The people didnt demand from the govt we have a new flag. Didnt hear of protests or petitions demanding a new flag. It was from the government ,for the government ,by the government. Why.?

It was a branding process to coincide with the TPPA.

cirrus wrote: Govt pushed the new flag at every opportunity . They certainly didnt push the keeping of the existing flag. Debate--their was no debate. The people didnt demand from the govt we have a new flag. Didnt hear of protests or petitions demanding a new flag. It was from the government ,for the government ,by the government. Why.?

And now JK is off to China, and will be asked  to explain why we still have the union jack on our Flag.
Meanwhile house prices reach a new record price in March.

Those born and working here becoming slum tenants in their own country.

And there will be more broken families as young head off overseas for a better life & working prospects as N.Z becomes a safe haven for the worlds affluent.

Not moaning Grunta, but seeing reality. If the herald report that the Chinese businessmen meeting in secret with our P.M took exception to the union jack on our flag then i would be concerned.
That is if the herald can be believed.
Just look around 1 million for a ordinary house on North shore.
That is insane. We have very low interest rates ,indicating a weak economy,and the housing bubble seems to many to be the only investment to bring a return for now. Banks rule here, and ironically we have a P.M who was a banker in one of the worlds most corrupt banks .
When well paid professional people cant afford to buy in Auckland or struggle with rising rent we do have a problem.
I am on the right side of the fence but cannot help to feel empathy for those who are not.
And when it all comes crashing down we will wake up to a very different N.Z.
Fishing reports ,have posted many as you well know.
So why the comment.

Depends on how one defines moaning. I like to know what is going on around us. It keeps one in touch with real life. The alternative would be a bland and grey world of seeing nothing or pretending to see nothing. That world offers nothing.
The world is made up of right and wrong,beautiful and ugly.
To see the whole it is important to see both.
I actually like this country very much, and also like the sea and all it offers. There is great beauty there.
But on the other hand
We have banks too big to fail ,and too big to be held accountable.
Many are being disenfranchised by this .

With injustice most only think about it when it effects them.
But when i see injustice and the crookedness of things then it is my duty as a human being to feel pissed off.
If that is moaning -so be it. But that does not negate all the great things in life---it enhances them by contrast.