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I am sorry SaltyC you seem to be on another page or universe.
I was hoping some one could explain why we should be submitting against the " Five Amendments" at the top of this page.
Just  the facts. No froth or foam thanks.
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Originally posted by Slug slicer Slug slicer wrote:

I am sorry SaltyC you seem to be on another page or universe.
I was hoping some one could explain why we should be submitting against the " Five Amendments" at the top of this page.
Just  the facts. No froth or foam thanks.

So you think the Fisheries Amendment Bill as proposed represents the best interests of recreational anglers?
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I've sent mine.
Thanks Legasea for the email heads up 
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Sent Mine,

Thanks legasea and all on the forum for the  time spentkeeping [those that are interested] informed.

Like others have said, unlikely many anglers are aware or willing.

I wouldnt label it a fishing exclusive issue,In my observations as each year goes on , there seems to be more and more disconection from current affairs.
Sure theres liitle bites of outrage about the usuals[Lets not go there],

But to start a  civil debate  / discussion about anything { ie; Ukraine, Climate, China , Water} Seems fraught with either Anger or complete disinterest.

I blame the closed borders!LOL 
I think the lack of international travel has turned  a lot of peoples realty a bit like living on Pitcairn Island!DeadLOL

So again thanks Legasea and This Forum Moderaters etc,
Wether we all agree on all opinions, is irelevant,
Whats important is the seeking of information and Discussion.


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Originally posted by scuzzymoto scuzzymoto wrote:

lol-  I dont do facebook, so the only way to find out about Legasea or any group in NZ is to read this forum, the only group in NZ I see worth anything is the NZSFA , but its  only boat fishing , again mainly north island ...
Even 1/2 the clubs in NZ are not part of any organisation so how are people meant to find out -- 
Just my views -been saying this for years ....

Scuzzymoto, NZSFC and LegaSea are joined at the hip. LegaSea is owned by NZSFC and is the Council's Public outreach arm. What that means is that there are 600,000 fishers in NZ, and 37,000 of those are connected to NZSFC by being members of Affiliated clubs. LegaSea provides a point of connection to NZSFC Fisheries Advocacy inititiatives by connecting the public who are not members of clubs. Clubs support this work by paying $14/adult member to NZSFC as Affiliaton fees per annum.

We collectively opposed the Preset Decision Making rules and Consultation ammendment Sections of the act because they lacked detail, and given that CPUE is the most comonly used fisheries measurement by MPI, it was a safe assumption that CPUE would be one of if not the only decision making rule deployed. There are a number of issues with using CPUE, so the only logical thing to do was opposed the bill until more detail was included out what the rules actually would be. 

Secondly, the Bill talks about the rules being used to set Total Allowable Catch (TAC) and Total Allowable Commercial Catch, but nothing about the Recreational allowance. So one of two things could result from that scenario, eitehr recreational gets what's left or a preset proportion (known as proportional allocation which results in bag limits being redeuced as the population increases). Either way that wasn't a good outcome for rec fishers. So more detail is required to allay that risk. 

Finally, the only consultation required in the new amendments, was when the rules are first set, once there Decision making rules are in place, there is no further consultation until the decision making rules are reset. They are supposed to be in place for a fixed duration, but even that wasn't specificed in the Bill. So it couldn't be supported until we at least knew what durations would be set or not. 

There is no doubt MPI needs to be able to act quicker when Stocks like Crayfish, Tarakihi, and scallops etc. etc. etc. are in decline. But this wasn't the way to do do it. 
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Originally posted by Bigfishbob Bigfishbob wrote:

Originally posted by scuzzymoto scuzzymoto wrote:

lol-  I dont do facebook, so the only way to find out about Legasea or any group in NZ is to read this forum, the only group in NZ I see worth anything is the NZSFA , but its  only boat fishing , again mainly north island ...
Even 1/2 the clubs in NZ are not part of any organisation so how are people meant to find out -- 
Just my views -been saying this for years ....

Scuzzymoto, NZSFC and LegaSea are joined at the hip. LegaSea is owned by NZSFC and is the Council's Public outreach arm. What that means is that there are 600,000 fishers in NZ, and 37,000 of those are connected to NZSFC by being members of Affiliated clubs. LegaSea provides a point of connection to NZSFC Fisheries Advocacy inititiatives by connecting the public who are not members of clubs. Clubs support this work by paying $14/adult member to NZSFC as Affiliaton fees per annum.

We collectively opposed the Preset Decision Making rules and Consultation ammendment Sections of the act because they lacked detail, and given that CPUE is the most comonly used fisheries measurement by MPI, it was a safe assumption that CPUE would be one of if not the only decision making rule deployed. There are a number of issues with using CPUE, so the only logical thing to do was opposed the bill until more detail was included out what the rules actually would be. 

Secondly, the Bill talks about the rules being used to set Total Allowable Catch (TAC) and Total Allowable Commercial Catch, but nothing about the Recreational allowance. So one of two things could result from that scenario, eitehr recreational gets what's left or a preset proportion (known as proportional allocation which results in bag limits being redeuced as the population increases). Either way that wasn't a good outcome for rec fishers. So more detail is required to allay that risk. 

Finally, the only consultation required in the new amendments, was when the rules are first set, once there Decision making rules are in place, there is no further consultation until the decision making rules are reset. They are supposed to be in place for a fixed duration, but even that wasn't specificed in the Bill. So it could be supported until we at least knew what durations would be set or not. 

There is no doubt MPI needs to be able to act quicker when Stocks like Crayfish, Tarakihi, and scallops etc. etc. etc. are in decline. But this wasn't the way to do do it. 
Cheers for the info-  I know the history of Legasea and the NZSFC( was a member ), I remember when Legasea first started ... the point is NZSFC only represent a small fraction of the NZ rec anglers .. Those that are not part of a club or a club  involved with the NZSFC how are they ment to find out info as to whats going on .. 
People and Organisations forget  theres a large market out there for Landbased - I would say more people fish landbased than boat(except in the upper N.Island)- 

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Originally posted by scuzzymoto scuzzymoto wrote:

lol-  I dont do facebook, so the only way to find out about Legasea or any group in NZ is to read this forum, the only group in NZ I see worth anything is the NZSFA , but its  only boat fishing , again mainly north island ...
Even 1/2 the clubs in NZ are not part of any organisation so how are people meant to find out -- 
Just my views -been saying this for years ....

Pretty well everything they do is on their web site, and it's very easy to sign up for email notifications from them.  Easy to keep in the loop without going anywhere near Facebook if you want to.
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Cheers for the info-  I know the history of Legasea and the NZSFC( was a member ), I remember when Legasea first started ... the point is NZSFC only represent a small fraction of the NZ rec anglers .. Those that are not part of a club or a club  involved with the NZSFC how are they ment to find out info as to whats going on .. 
People and Organisations forget  theres a large market out there for Landbased - I would say more people fish landbased than boat(except in the upper N.Island)- 

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Yep the land based fishers are represented there. The NZ Land Based Game Fishing Club Affiliated with NZSFC in 1992 and remains affiliated to this day, as do the Wellington Surf casting and angling club. A number of affilliated clubs have an active  land based fishing component of their membership. Then we have a partnership with the NZACA who support and have their name recorded on all NZSFC/LegaSea submissions. 

Joining an affiliated club or encouraging your unnaffiliated club to join NZSFC, or supporting LegaSea gives you a voice and keeps you connected to what's going on. 

An Alternative, is that MPI/Fisheries NZ have a database that anybody can register with that ensures all consultations are emailed to anybody who is registered. The exception being that members of that database did not get any advise about teh Fisheries Ammendment Bill. Then you can make your own submissions as you see fit.
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A little off topic but as I started out strictly landbased it does annoy me a little that rec fishing is so fixated on boat fishing. I have some (lots of) empathy here for Scuzzy. So much of our focus is on boat fishing but most of us got our start fishing off the hard stuff.  But yeah, I'm part of the problem, my reports are 90% boat based because that's what I do now.

As the very wise Kevin.S says it is easy to get updates if you want them.

For those who don't know Big Fish Bob has a lot of skin in this game. Tells us what you do Bob.




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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

A little off topic but as I started out strictly landbased it does annoy me a little that rec fishing is so fixated on boat fishing. I have some (lots of) empathy here for Scuzzy. So much of our focus is on boat fishing but most of us got our start fishing off the hard stuff.  But yeah, I'm part of the problem, my reports are 90% boat based because that's what I do now.

As the very wise Kevin.S says it is easy to get updates if you want them.

For those who don't know Big Fish Bob has a lot of skin in this game. Tells us what you do Bob.

Lol! As a mad keen Rock fisher, the NZ Land Based Game Fishing Club was the second club I ever belonged to, after having initially been a member of teh Whakatane Sportfishing club, before becoming a founding member of the Waikato Sport Fishing club 30 odd years ago. 

I'm currently coming to the end of my fourth year as NZSFC President.
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That's awesome, thanks BFB!
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