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Originally posted by Joker Joker wrote:

Originally posted by pompey pompey wrote:

Is the 610 Surtees the old 5.8 ? They look small compared to the older ones. If that is the case there may be quite a size difference. Perhaps a Surtees 650 might be a closer comparison?


I met up with another boat for a trip at the BP in Warkworth and had an equivalent sized 4.95 surtees alongside my genuine 5 metre boat an FC500 and honestly the Surtees would have fit inside.

Yes, take a tape measure along with you, some manufacturers take resizing/remeasuring to an artform.  
You forgot to tell them that the FC 500 is now a 535.
And yes the new 610 is the same as the old 5.8 except longer same as the 575 is a longer than the old 5.5s.
As far as measurements go on the side of the boat its up to the buyer to see what they are paying for. Whether the number says 5,6, or 7 its irrelevant.                                                                                  Surtees Boats come with a 10yr warranty not that you will need it.
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Look can be deceiving, put my 5.8 alongside 6.1 barcrucsher, very minimal difference.
What makes it look, bigger is the tandem trailer. Mate has a 5.8 on a tandem trailer , again the boat looks bigger. Might be biased, surtees
Those that say it can't be done are being overtaken by those doing it.
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Originally posted by Muzzfishing Muzzfishing wrote:

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You forgot to tell them that the FC 500 is now a 535.
And yes the new 610 is the same as the old 5.8 except longer same as the 575 is a longer than the old 5.5s.
As far as measurements go on the side of the boat its up to the buyer to see what they are paying for. Whether the number says 5,6, or 7 its irrelevant.                                                                                  Surtees Boats come with a 10yr warranty not that you will need it.

The FC535 has a completely different stern to the FC500, with a portofino transom and boarding platforms. The old 500 also had 3mm sides, the 535 has 4mm. FC didn't just re-label the 500 a 535.

It's certainly the manufacturer's prerogative to use whatever size they want for marketing purposes (LOA versus another method). It is just interesting when the exact same boat suddenly grows 10-20cm in the marketing.
That's different to a boat in a manufacturer's new range being longer through changes to the transom or bow.

Either way, we're off thread. As the owner of a comparatively small runabout, I'd love to head out to Little Barrier in either boat you mention at the top! 

It's interesting to see the various signatures of each manufacturer. One Good Friday, we were returning from the Far North when everyone else was heading north. There was a steady stream of boats - every third vehicle, it seemed - and we got really good at spotting Extreme, Surtees, Ramco, Stabi etc.

i went out to Little Barrier with JW in his Northside Adventures boat - a custom 7.5m Surtees - and it was a great craft, certainly handled the heavy chop on our way home very well. It'd be worth asking him about his experiences so far with his Surtees, particularly the ride in open seas.



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On the advice from a couple of FC 535 owners I bought one just before the lock down. I only managed four trips out of Tauranga and apart from a charging issue on the brand new Merc which is still unresolved,I'm pretty happy with it. I had (and still do if anyone wants to buy) a 620 Senator. OK, I've lost my shade and enclosed shelter but have gained more fishing room, way cheaper running and ease of launch and retrieve. I really like simply walking up to put the pick down instead of crawling through a cabin and up a hatch. While I haven't had it in anything narly, I've found it handles as well and it far drier than two Stabies I have owned of similar size. I wanted and easy to handle, easy to tow and economical fishing boat and its what I've got. I've never been in a Surtees so can't compare. I also don't get into brand **** fights.
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I'd sea test any boat once twice thrice for what you do Jake.

The original 5.5s were pretty good boats.
I'm not sold in the other Surtees.
Generally disappointing rides.

Boat brands have some in there stables that work well.
The rest modified up,or down are not always as good.

So back to basics.
Research as you are doing now.

And when your list is more refined do as I suggest above test.
You have to do more than one in different environments.

Forget brands....

Look at boat design, construction quality.
Then ability to modify to fit your needs.
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Getting a sea trial - really has to be in a high wind sea, otherwise you wont find out how it feels when its ****ty. That's hard to do, as the seller probably will want to trial it now, not later when you want.
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Originally posted by MATTOO MATTOO wrote:

I'd sea test any boat once twice thrice for what you do Jake.

The original 5.5s were pretty good boats.
I'm not sold in the other Surtees.
Generally disappointing rides.

Boat brands have some in there stables that work well.
The rest modified up,or down are not always as good.

So back to basics.
Research as you are doing now.

And when your list is more refined do as I suggest above test.
You have to do more than one in different environments.

Forget brands....

Look at boat design, construction quality.
Then ability to modify to fit your needs.

That might be the best advice I've ever seen you give Mattoo! Wink
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Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:

Getting a sea trial - really has to be in a high wind sea, otherwise you wont find out how it feels when its ****ty. That's hard to do, as the seller probably will want to trial it now, not later when you want.

Needs to be both ****ty and Calm. My boat surprised me in the calm, was very average initially, before I adjusted engine height and added trim tabs.
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If you get a sea trial in the FC boat make sure that you test the lock in ballast up front in a head sea. On my FC560 locking on 200kg right up front makes the difference between travelling at 18mph to be able to travel at 25mph without bangs. This made all the difference late last year when travelling back from North Cape to Houhora into a nasty head sea for 30 miles.
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Thanks Joker I will
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Well i'm pretty much in the same boat as Schampy and currently on my second Surtees.  Had the 5.8 (now the 610) and got a 650 which is basically the old 6.1 Barcrusher.
Your welcome to have a look if your on the shore.
Haven't been on an FC but like others have mentioned some of the finishes weren't the best.
Apart from sea trails etc when looking at boats i always went and looked at the second hand boats to see how they were holding up,  one brand looked good new but definitely didn't seem to wear as well.
I'm sure Fishing Boats NZ is doing a demonstrator day soon so book in for that,  they won't cancel because of the weather.

One of the other main things i look at when buying a boat is who they are,  mate got a new boat from one dealer and luckily hes a patient guy,  i'm not impressed with there service.
Got both mine from FBNZ and service is been great,  any problem was solved immediately.

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im abit confused to the change in surtees the old bar crusher 6.1 is not the 650.  My 5.5 is only 5m if measured correctly and the .5 comes from the extra bits?  
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See Treedoc's post on p2 of the thread. Image shows what the interpretation of LOA (length overall) is in Surtees' case. ie. appears to be from the tip of the bowsprit to the outer edge of the rail on the stern. Presumably they detail actual hull length, beam etc in their details specs online.
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Im aware of length overall thing but my point is this:  I was under the assumption they have been using length over all the whole time and at never measured properly (ie my hulls 2000 and its 5.5 including the bowsprits etc, the hull is only 5 m if measured properly).  Be interesting to see if the 6.1 is LOA or measured properly. 
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Originally posted by jakepitsville jakepitsville wrote:

im abit confused to the change in surtees the old bar crusher 6.1 is not the 650.  My 5.5 is only 5m if measured correctly and the .5 comes from the extra bits?  

Yep they did well at confusing everyone.
Schampy had all the sizes correct.
Down my drive is a 650 and a 6.1, basically the same boat.

Also why the new one is the 610 and not the 6.1.
The 610 basically being the old 5.8 which YKnot has.

Headache, i got one when looking and basically if they had explained it all when i brought the 650 i probably would have got the 700.
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Well by the sounds of it, in the early days they measured how they do now, the wrong way doing LOA including all the bits.  in the 2000s until the recent change they might have gone back to measuring properly transom to top deck etc.  I doubt there has been a price change even if your getting less boat.

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Easiest thing to do is ignore them and measure the LWL. That's the best indicator of how big the boat is that's easily available. One can estimate it from the Surtees site, as it has scale drawings of their boats. 
Best indication is the PPI, pounds per inch immersion at the DWL, but I'm not aware of a single NZ manufacturer that publishes that. 


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Yep they did well at confusing everyone.
Schampy had all the sizes correct.
Down my drive is a 650 and a 6.1, basically the same boat.

Also why the new one is the 610 and not the 6.1.
The 610 basically being the old 5.8 which YKnot has.

Headache, i got one when looking and basically if they had explained it all when i brought the 650 i probably would have got the 700.
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At the end of the day just remember to take a tape measure and if you want to brag about a bigger boat then get some bigger decals made.
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Further to Rozboons point I have no experience in either vessel but having seen the FC at the 2019 Boatshow I was also disappointed in the quality of the welding.

Surtees finishing from what I have seen has Lways been excellent
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