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Hi.
For those interested.
Enchanter program Wednesday 28th at 20:40 (8:40pm).
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Originally posted by v8-coupe v8-coupe wrote:

Hi.
For those interested.
Enchanter program Wednesday 28th at 20:40 (8:40pm).
Cheers
Was suppose to be on TV3 on the 20th
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Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Originally posted by v8-coupe v8-coupe wrote:

Hi.
For those interested.
Enchanter program Wednesday 28th at 20:40 (8:40pm).
Cheers
Was suppose to be on TV3 on the 20th

Yup, sorry, forgot, TV3.
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Bit of an interesting article in the NZ Herald today.
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Originally posted by Coutta Coutta wrote:

Bit of an interesting article in the NZ Herald today.

Yes, that sounded pretty damning
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Interesting article alright.

However, lotsa second guessing going on. The actual conditions (vs the forecast) didn't sound so bad. .

Nobody on the vessel seemed to be too concerned at the time. If you are regularly fishing the Kings, 30 knots and 2 to 5 metre swells are par for the course. The issue really seems to be the decision to round North Cape, not use the anchorages on the other side and then get too close to the cape on the way round giving the building seas a chance to break instead of sliiping under the boat. Two to five  nautical miles further off the cape on the way round  and we probably wouldn't have anything to talk about.

Be interesting to see the TV doco, but I am cautious about the sensationalisation of those who haven't walked in those shoes and even may have an axe to grind. Even a commercial guy whose job is to pull pots close to the islands doesn't have the same set of circumstances to make a decision about working that day vs the passage back.
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Over 20 years ago we'd been fishing, mostly livebaiting, off Tom Bowling Bay . A big storm kicked off the day we were returning to Houhora. Our charter skipper told us he was going to sail NNE and give the N Cape a very wide berth as he thought it was very dodgy to get withing a few miles of it.
Took us ages to get back but we got home safely. Even when we stopped off for a burger at Silverdale, we were hanging on to the wash basins in the loo as everything was still moving!
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Originally posted by SaltyC SaltyC wrote:

Interesting article alright.

However, lotsa second guessing going on. The actual conditions (vs the forecast) didn't sound so bad. .

Nobody on the vessel seemed to be too concerned at the time. If you are regularly fishing the Kings, 30 knots and 2 to 5 metre swells are par for the course. The issue really seems to be the decision to round North Cape, not use the anchorages on the other side and then get too close to the cape on the way round giving the building seas a chance to break instead of sliiping under the boat. Two to five  nautical miles further off the cape on the way round  and we probably wouldn't have anything to talk about.

Be interesting to see the TV doco, but I am cautious about the sensationalisation of those who haven't walked in those shoes and even may have an axe to grind. Even a commercial guy whose job is to pull pots close to the islands doesn't have the same set of circumstances to make a decision about working that day vs the passage back.

I wouldnt characterise Nat Davey as a guy whose job is to pull pots....  and Steve Angus AKA Swordfish Steve is also has a fair bit of experience under his belt.  It  will be interesting to see the final report from Maritime New Zealand
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How often does "metservice" get wrong,often. Even predict wind/windyty had  yesterday  wrong.

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Agree Titahi, the final Maritime NZ report will be very interesting, but, just for clarification, Nat Davey wasn't the skipper at the Kings who made the comment and Steve Angus wasn't even there but commenting on a previous trip that, as far as I know, didn't come to any harm.

I don't know Lance Goodhew and have never fished on Enchanter or any of his boats but I am just concerned that it is easy to portray someone or some event on TV with a degree of prejudice using people who state themselves that they had a beef with the person involved.


The Maritime report will, I am sure, deal with the events and conditions on the day, not random accusations of possible past misdeeds.
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The reporters and media in general have made a pigs arse out of this. Why not wait until the facts are made public....

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Yes, the facts are what we need to see. what people say and what people do aren't necessarily the same things
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and how will the facts be established? 

i personally wouldnt be accepting of a MSA report at face value...
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You might have more faith in the coronial inquiry/inquest, where people are under oath in essentially a court and all the evidence and survivor accounts are presented?

That will surely be where this tragedy will be fully investigated, and it will only involve evidence from those who were involved/eye witnesses, and experts on the vessel design, potential cause of waves, etc etc - all on the witness stand being asked questions by the coroner. 

That will presumably include the skipper, crew, surviving clients, other skippers on the water at the time, forecasters - whoever.
People speculating or with other agendas won't be part of that process.

The coroner will then comment on what led to the loss of life, and make recommendations on changes for the future.

from the article in the paper, it sounded like there's a time limit on the marine authorities' investigation, then I presume the coroner will step in.

The case of the pilot boat that hit the swimmer off Narrowneck followed a similar path, ending up with a Coroner's findings. As have other marine tragedies.


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It seems a little odd that they are even doing the program now.  With the investigation ongoing and the possibility of prosecutions no-one of any importance will be saying anything to the media.  That just leaves gossip and speculation from others.
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initial thoughts from the program - without passing judgement 

were they running across a shoaling area in a N/E wind which might cause waves to pile up?

the massive glass area on the boat and the light timber mullions for a offshore rated vessel

the risk presented by the huge enclosed cockpit 


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We’re they anchored or fishing off there? When said wave came through?
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They were heading in to a sheltered Anchorage for the night inside north cape.according to the deckie on the doco they were 15 to 20 mins from dropping the pick.Bloody sad for all involved
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Thanks for clarifying that, wasn't sure and did watch the program, clearly not carefully enough.
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No problem shane.was alot to take in
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