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Originally posted by shaneg shaneg wrote:

Shaneg wrote: Can respect that view. Not a bad choice, not that am sure you need any affirmation from me Smile
Originally posted by shaneg shaneg wrote:

So who are you contemplating voting for fishy11 . Act maybe? Or not voting at all... because there’s no one to represent you, just wondering.


Yes, most likely leaning towards Act at this stage. Seymour is far more of a libertarian type than any of the others and the only one actually in parliament who has been calling out the b.s of the other 4 parties. Do i think Act are the be all and end all, no. With that being said i'd rather support someone who is for freedom of speech, firearms owners, property rights, business owners, is anti mass aerial 1080 and so on.
His track record of being the only one to actually vote against the other 4 on these issues in recent times speaks volumes as to how compromised the other parties have become. Both from local interests and international dodgy dealings already mentioned here.

I think NZ is f*cked either way and is only going to keep going further left if i'm being honest(i know pretty pessimistic) but if me ticking a particular box with a pen makes even 0.1% difference and means i wasn't one of the people who supported changes that destroyed what this country once was i can live with that.

....and before the usuals start harping on about how there's other countries that are far worse places to live than NZ, save it. We know, we've heard it all before. It's an absurd argument and solves nothing. I've spent enough time in 3rd world sh*t holes and other developed nations to have an idea, as have others.
Just because someone somewhere has it worse doesn't mean your problems no longer exist and you should just take it. Yes some kid in Africa doesn't have clean water. Yes a mother in the middle east lives in a war zone, but if you're house is on fire in NZ you might still want to tend to that. The problem's not going away because someone somewhere is having a worse day than you.







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My thoughts as well Shaneg. I’m not boomer age but NZ is an almost unrecognisable country now to what we were.
Sure I accept change but we have radically changed.
We almost all bang on with the assumption there are only 2 choices that really have sway at the polls.
We keep thinking that if we keeping putting sh1t in we will eventually get gold out.

I am starting to think Act has something a bit different to offer and my pen is starting approach that tick box. Would love to see a majority in power that is not National or Labour in the not too distant future.
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nz can afford socialism as long as it’s scaled. Nz will never be a super rich country due to resources, size, location etc. 
national tried and destroyed our environment we now got to live with. I feel labour has been infiltrated like National by big business that’s only focus is greed to heck with the life people have to live. Smaller parties are worth a look at, especially in a MMP environment. I must admit I never thought labour could hold that government together full term with the other parties included being so opposite. Credit due there.

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Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

Ha I agree with Fishy 11.
NZ simply cannot afford socialism as we don't have the numbers or productivity.
The handout to earning ratio is getting seriously bad.

Denmark Finland and Norway have similar " numbers" 





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Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

Ha I agree with Fishy 11.
NZ simply cannot afford socialism as we don't have the numbers or productivity.
The handout to earning ratio is getting seriously bad.

Denmark Finland and Norway have similar " numbers" 







But those countries have a "Class" culture where people are citizens of the country, behave appropriately and care for it as a whole unlike here where too often principle allegiances lie offshore or are clouded by personal cultural appropriation.
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Collins is like a big kid in the candy store.. Now watch the tax's rise if she attains power. Who is better I do not know.
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Originally posted by Joker Joker wrote:

Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

Ha I agree with Fishy 11.
NZ simply cannot afford socialism as we don't have the numbers or productivity.
The handout to earning ratio is getting seriously bad.


Denmark Finland and Norway have similar " numbers" 








But those countries have a "Class" culture where people are citizens of the country, behave appropriately and care for it as a whole unlike here where too often principle allegiances lie offshore or are clouded by personal cultural appropriation.


Bang on Joker.
Our crime rate dwarfs those countries for a start.
I saw one program on Norways prison system and how they are pretty much unguarded and next to zero violence.
Seriously think it will work here?
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yeah let’s aim low. That’s the kiwi spirit LOL
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Originally posted by Joker Joker wrote:

Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

Ha I agree with Fishy 11.
NZ simply cannot afford socialism as we don't have the numbers or productivity.
The handout to earning ratio is getting seriously bad.

Denmark Finland and Norway have similar " numbers" 







But those countries have a "Class" culture where people are citizens of the country, behave appropriately and care for it as a whole unlike here where too often principle allegiances lie offshore or are clouded by personal cultural appropriation.

this is a very good comment and i believe a major reason for the stagnation of nz in a social, economic and strategic sense

go to Japan - witness the contrast of a co-hesive and homogeneous culture - return to NZ and feel the dispare wash over you as you realise the inefficiencies here because of the above...
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Originally posted by Bounty Hunter Bounty Hunter wrote:

Originally posted by Joker Joker wrote:

Originally posted by Titahi Titahi wrote:

Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

Ha I agree with Fishy 11.
NZ simply cannot afford socialism as we don't have the numbers or productivity.
The handout to earning ratio is getting seriously bad.

Denmark Finland and Norway have similar " numbers" 







But those countries have a "Class" culture where people are citizens of the country, behave appropriately and care for it as a whole unlike here where too often principle allegiances lie offshore or are clouded by personal cultural appropriation.

this is a very good comment and i believe a major reason for the stagnation of nz in a social, economic and strategic sense

go to Japan - witness the contrast of a co-hesive and homogeneous culture - return to NZ and feel the dispare wash over you as you realise the inefficiencies here because of the above...

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Yes we spend a disproportionate amount of time squabbling over division of resources and who owns and is entitled to what. Amongst ourselves - a team of 5M.Unprecedented I would think.
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Agree with you guys on the 'kiwi ' attitude as compared to many other countries.
They have political divisions/ parties ,  at the end of the day it is about the bigger long term picture of their country.
 NZ we have a treaty that is about joint, not single 'ownership' of NZ. We have and attitude of , what can I get out of this rather than what can WE to make this better.
 The JFK quote comes to mine here
"Its not what your country can do for you, its what you can do for your country"

 Crusher... she has history, she has experience, doesn't take any nonsense.
We gets stuff done.
Got Seymour with Act..
I think there is a chance they could get to the treasury benches.

Cindy.. well kiwi build ... her throw money at child poverty.. numbers gone up, money soaked into beuocracy and treaty rorts.
Climate change, emissions up, environment .. well planting pines , over good land doesnt work.
The gun feasco.
 Dinner ready, list goes on and on.
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Yepp, here's another one. Don't aim low - let's criticise our politicians because they are fat, look like a horse, are maori or gay.


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I reckon National are embarking up a strategy to lose the election. The next 3 years will be a tough one for whoever is in power and who wants to win a poisoned chalice?
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Yepp, here's another one. Don't aim low - let's criticise our politicians because they are fat, look like a horse, are maori or gay.



Ha ha Smudge.
You may well be being facetious, however some of what you describe seem to be the only qualifications necessary to be on the front benches.
The only question the media seemed to ask on both occasions during the National Party leader changes was "what about diversity and how many Maori are in top jobs".
Nothing on policy.
So facetious or not, your comment is probably more correct than you intended.
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Yepp, here's another one. Don't aim low - let's criticise our politicians because they are fat, look like a horse, are maori or gay.

Or what has been the case in the past, and now.. the best photogenic gets the tick the moment the pen presses on the square of the voting paper..
Been a few pollies over the yrs never made it because of this sort of thing.

Before social media, upto very early days of internet, the vote went to the best achiever, who had the gift of the gab, and presented best on the podium.. in that order.
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Whoever the elite want to put into the position of pm is going to be who "wins" and that's how it's always been. Opposing political parties and voting is just another farce to give the illusion of freedom
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So who/what is the elite?
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Funny how u guys keep asking who the elite is. This question must have been answered several times now. It's the bushes, the Clintons, the Rothschild's, the Rockefeller's, Soros etc etc. Freemasons, bankers, the "royal" bloodlines
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So who/what is the elite in New Zealand?
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