BigEarn wrote: Muppet wrote: Just no to that. Only the American Democrats and Communists types in Ozzie talk like that. Even in the EU they are aghast at such talk as to take freedoms, services and rights away from people. Never before has not taking a vaccine meant you have that taken away. https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20211030/p2a/00m/0na/020000c Quite interesting Japan, we have similar vaccination rates. Rights to attend school being taken away due to lack of vaccination is nothing new and is not uncommon around the globe. I'd consider education a service. Freedom to travel has been and still is bound to vaccination certificates for yellow fever, malaria, polio, hepatitis etc. depending on where you are traveling from, through and to. While that's mainly international movement, you will find people without certain vaccinations have been restricted in regional movements within countries already pre-Covid, e.g. in B&H. Other penalties for non-compliance with vaccine mandates also existed for a long time across the globe. Mainly those were financial penalties, but in the some countries people could face imprisonment or the temporary oss of child custody (e.g. Italy). If you look Europe right now and think vaccinated and unvaccinated enjoy the same kind of freedom, you're wrong. There is many places and events which you can only visit with either a vaccination passport or a certification that you recovered from Covid.

Oh dear, everything was so simple back in the past (flu and other ) pandemics.
Line up get a jab.. may ge bit sore arm , or fell off for couiple days at most...
 get a booster every yr or so.
 Life goes on
 Now we have FB, social media BS, rabbit holes for the stupid so more ppl can make money, and cult figures filling their wallets at the expense of the gullible, for the stupid and once again everything gets complicated , BS  and messed up.

Welcome to the ' so called enlightened' world that thinks a passport or a vaccination is like Nazi Germany or pol pot BS.

cirrus wrote: How does a vaccine that dosent stop transmission stop a pandemic. just asking for a friend

Tell your friend it stops the majority of transmission and/or lessens the effects of the virus.
Your friend should sit down with his GP and have a discussion.

How does a vaccine that dosent stop transmission stop a pandemic.
 As per Kitinos post above
1/ Unvacced you have a 20%+ higher incidence of transmitting..
or vacced 80% less chance passing it on

2/ Vacced if do get it chances are you will either not notice or get mild 'cold'.. less than 5% chance having to go to hospital, even if have underlying issues
 un vacced , have a good chance ending up in hospital for a few weeks, and possbly into ICU on support systems for couple weeks if dont die.

 Now combine those, we very quickly get to a position 2 to 3yrs after the initial outbreak where we are now with sars, hong kong flus.

Dont vaccinate we have what has happened in USA, Italy etc etc, and with the Spanish....millions die, millions very sick for a long time , never to recover fully, and the whole herd immunity thing takes many yrs...5 or 6yrs

Its not rocket science, world has been having this sort of stuff for 1000s yrs, and the technology since around the small pox vac late 1700s)
Just lets us reduce the hurt and time frame.
 

fish-feeder wrote: I'm doing my part by staying out of the public,what are you doing?

fish-feeder wrote: I'm just not sure man can trust a vax developed by a company that has just recalled champix,a cessation of smoking drug that has been proven to cause cancer .

That "Champix" is a ilussanation type drup,gave it away after 1 week. Not so sure about Vapes but been on them for about 6 months,$20 week compared to $120 for roll 50gm+30gm pw Really need to knock the vape too.

semantics mate....but if you really must know,im on bore water, not that I drink alot of water from the tap...it's usually bottled water, or beer.

Pcj wrote: fish-feeder wrote: I'm just not sure man can trust a vax developed by a company that has just recalled champix,a cessation of smoking drug that has been proven to cause cancer . That "Champix" is a ilussanation type drup,gave it away after 1 week. Not so sure about Vapes but been on them for about 6 months,$20 week compared to $120 for roll 50gm+30gm pw Really need to knock the vape too.

fish-feeder wrote: semantics mate....but if you really must know,im on bore water, not that I drink alot of water from the tap...it's usually bottled water, or beer.