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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 8:56am
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I don't think that comment was aimed at you Steps.

 Nor did or do I.
I just dont see where it is actually insulting or offensive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 9:52am
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

I don't think that comment was aimed at you Steps.

 Nor did or do I.
I just dont see where it is actually insulting or offensive.

It wasn't that comment either Steps, I've hidden the one I was referring to. Anyway, let's move on
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 10:06am
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I see this morning more cases popping up around the country, not entirely surprising. I'm wondering if in fact that the virus has actually spread to a lot more towns and because only a few get tested because people are not feeling unwell,  we aren't picking the true numbers up?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 10:32am
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I would say that is highly likely and more so if the vaccine is doing its job and putting a hold on symptoms.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2021 at 7:51pm
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did you see 78,000 maskless people jammed into a rugby stadium singing and cheering into each other’s faces on Sunday. Wales Covid s infection goes up but deaths go down they are the envy of many. NZ have becoming a joke overseas. Friends from France and Ireland have both asked what the hell my gov is doing? They are free and living normal. Got through the hard bit. We are stretching out the inevitable.painful.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 12:29am
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Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

... Got through the hard bit ...

Would that be the 2170 deaths / M of the UK population.

Based on your team of 5M that would be equate to 10850 NZ deaths rather than the 28 I have seen reported.  Would you accept another 10822 deaths in NZ as acceptable?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 5:52am
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We have over 70% vaccinated FA and heading into summer.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 11:03am
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Above posts , below Smudges last one, think pretty well sums up general public opinion.. espec since well over 1/2 are now 2x vacced.Thumbs Up

Would that be the 2170 deaths / M of the UK population.
Based on your team of 5M that would be equate to 10850 NZ deaths rather than the 28 I have seen reported.  Would you accept another 10822 deaths in NZ as acceptable?

In my books ... yes....
Its about freedom of choice, freedom not to vacc..And taking responsibility for that choice.
If someone wants to cross busy streets with a a blind fold on , or cross a bar not checking conditions and no life jacket with crotch strip on..
So be it.
Down side, the added workload of our already over loaded health professionals and volunteers...

 At least with no 2x vacced, priority can be dropped low in favor of 2X vacced and normal health issues..(taking responsibility and consequences of freedom of call)
 Unlike the crossing the road and bars, these factors are not pre known till after the events.

What is holding everything up is the government being intimidated by a small minority section our society and the racist card being called, pointing finger at the government rather than taking personal responsibility.
 I note here that its interesting that "transient" "low income" are also used in with "Pacifica" and "Maori".
And also interesting that pasfica vac numbers have not been far behind European and others, and on catch up. Maori way behind... yet the race card colonialist BS is rorting and intimidating the government.

And the core issue here, is not the race card etc...it is that we have a government that is to weak the make calls for the majority of NZers, regardless of race, culture.
 If we did...we would not have the continued delays, because of the race card.

Result.. well we just look around at all the ppl around us who are 2 vacced, and have been for a long time, bending the rules more and more.
Which pretty well makes the revisions of the lockdowns being determined by us and the government seeing are not controlling matching that bending of rules to match.

Like the race card intimation , the lifting  knockdown rules reflect general population actions.
This makes a mockery of the 90% 2x vacced call
Which incidentally would have been around Nove20th, then 26th , then 27th then 28th on rolling vaccination predictions.
 And the area/ DHB that is extending , holding to ransom.. Manukau...Sth Auckland... then dig deeper into the local areas.. Manurewa, Papakura, Clover park, Clendon Takanini..
All areas that have had access to local vaccination centers from day 1...The Marea in Fnlayson Rd Manurewa being the 1st in the area.
 Go figure


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 1:26pm
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Now "steps' remind me why we are vaccinated?? It seems to me that the majority are getting vaccinated so the unvaxed can enjoy the same privlages as you and I. 
Non vax should be limited to supermarkets only,no takeout foods,warehouse,bunning etc

Issue a vax type passport and only those with a passport to cross borders.Seems fair to me.
Those vaxed should be entitled to something that non vaxers miss out on, otherwise why did we bother. The govt were going to open things up any way. Pressure from business ,no business no taxes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 2:33pm
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Just no to that.
Only the American Democrats and Communists types in Ozzie talk like that.
Even in the EU they are aghast at such talk as to take freedoms, services and rights away from people.

Never before has not taking a vaccine meant you have that taken away.

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20211030/p2a/00m/0na/020000c

Quite interesting Japan, we have similar vaccination rates.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 3:50pm
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Latest figures from the UK show that death rates in unvaccinated people catching covid are 850 per 100,000 while death rates for fully vaccinated people are 26 per 100,000.  Being vaccinated doesn't guarantee you won't catch it, or even that you won't die if you do catch it -but I know which odds I prefer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 4:36pm
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Where is that?
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https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-death-risk-32-times-higher-for-the-unvaccinated-figures-suggest-12457074

If it is that study read it very carefully it is not very well done in my opinion.
January 2nd hardly anyone was vaccinated and was the start of the higher death rate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 4:47pm
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

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I don't think that comment was aimed at you Steps.  We are all welcome to our point of view. F-F is welcome to his, You are welcome to yours. As long as we don't resort to personal attacks, I'm happy. I have hidden a post that crossed the line

I see my post was removed smudge. I have been away fishing for a few days so had to back track. 
On what FF said, I and three others thought my post appropriate. I /we did note his posts had been edited after my post. His original posts deserved what was said. So be it, if you think i crossed the line, your opinion /you did what you needed to do.
We are all trying to do our bit and move on in life, some are not prepared to think of others only themselves. Enjoy your night.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 5:50pm
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Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-death-risk-32-times-higher-for-the-unvaccinated-figures-suggest-12457074

If it is that study read it very carefully it is not very well done in my opinion.
January 2nd hardly anyone was vaccinated and was the start of the higher death rate.


looks pretty well done to me



From the actual source, in its entirety, including caveats, limitations, methodology and acknowledgement
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 6:18pm
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I don't go anywhere in public so I don't know why you have to resort to snide remarks and personal attacks to get your point across mate. It is MY choice to not take the experimental vaccine(which is technically not a vaccine as it doesn't have live or dead virus in it) which is being pushed. I have a good immune system so I'm not crapping my pants over something that is apparently so dangerous 97% of people survive it. The vax passport won't take any of my freedoms from me cause I don't dine out or sit in pubs swilling beers,so don't panic. I hope that sets some of your minds at ease a little more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 7:08pm
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Originally posted by fish-feeder fish-feeder wrote:

I don't go anywhere in public so I don't know why you have to resort to snide remarks and personal attacks to get your point across mate. It is MY choice to not take the experimental vaccine(which is technically not a vaccine as it doesn't have live or dead virus in it) which is being pushed. I have a good immune system so I'm not crapping my pants over something that is apparently so dangerous 97% of people survive it. The vax passport won't take any of my freedoms from me cause I don't dine out or sit in pubs swilling beers,so don't panic. I hope that sets some of your minds at ease a little more.

No snide remarks matey. I really don't give a **** about what you think at all. you are only for yourself  and up every one else . That is why I replied to your other post that was deleted and banned.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 7:40pm
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But you do care,that's why you keep deflecting and denying facts. If YOU are double vaxd you can still spread it can't you? I don't go out socializing so that's on you if you spread it,not me. Myself ..if I catch it there is more chance I caught it from a vaxd person. I'm doing my part by staying out of the public,what are you doing?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 9:01pm
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Hook it, you were not banned. I hid a post. That is all. I didn't even give you a telling off!

I also hid a post from Fish Feeder that was in response to your post. I have to be impartial. 

I don't personally agree with Fish Finders point of view, but that is his opinion. I know your opinion. I just don't agree with personal attacks and counter attacks, sorry if you're offended because I stole 30 seconds of your life. The pair of you have taken far more than that from me Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2021 at 11:57pm
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Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

Just no to that.
Only the American Democrats and Communists types in Ozzie talk like that.
Even in the EU they are aghast at such talk as to take freedoms, services and rights away from people.

Never before has not taking a vaccine meant you have that taken away.

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20211030/p2a/00m/0na/020000c

Quite interesting Japan, we have similar vaccination rates.


Rights to attend school being taken away due to lack of vaccination is nothing new and is not uncommon around the globe. I'd consider education a service.
Freedom to travel has been and still is bound to vaccination certificates for yellow fever, malaria, polio, hepatitis etc. depending on where you are traveling from, through and to. While that's mainly international movement, you will find people without certain vaccinations have been restricted in regional movements within countries already pre-Covid, e.g. in B&H.
Other penalties for non-compliance with vaccine mandates also existed for a long time across the globe. Mainly those were financial penalties, but in the some countries people could face imprisonment or the temporary oss of child custody (e.g. Italy).
If you look Europe right now and think vaccinated and unvaccinated enjoy the same kind of freedom, you're wrong. There is many places and events which you can only visit with either a vaccination passport or a certification that you recovered from Covid.
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