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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 3:15am
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Originally posted by brmbrm brmbrm wrote:

Originally posted by laidbackdood laidbackdood wrote:

....5% fatalities at the hands of this thing......thats not bad !

Err, really?  That's about 250,000 dead people in NZ.  About 1 dead person every 5 households.  So for you, the house next door each side plus the house next door to that, one corpse in 2020.  How many do you normally see to make it "not bad"?  Life expectancy of 20 not bad? I disagree
Think you got the wrong end of the stick....Thats in the total number of people infected so farLOL...The figure was huge ...less than 5% of that huge figure........5% of nz small population would be pretty dire for sure broConfused
sure you can google what i said......its out there to be seen....But hey.....this is the media we are talking about.
Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens.
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Death rate well under 5% in fact.

This chart makes interesting reading.Wink
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Originally posted by laidbackdood laidbackdood wrote:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Death rate well under 5% in fact.

This chart makes interesting reading.Wink



Cases with an outcome is the stat of relevance if you choose that website as your source.
45729 closed cases with 42728 recovered and 3001 deaths gives 7% death rate.

The others infected are not closed cases as they are still receiving care or recovering.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 9:08am
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Here's my take on the current situation:

Very soon the flight bans will be lifted, simply because every country will have the disease. We might see a shift to three day medical certificates though, as in the current Samoa situation. Whatever the case airlines are going to take a major hit. It is not going to turn around soon.

The cruise ship industry is as good as dead and buried. They already had a problem with norovirus. Now coronavirus. It is going to be a very long wait to see this turn around.

Many people will simply chose to isolate themselves and stay at home. This could go on for over a year. Sweaty nightclub anyone? Rugby match? The sorts of things affected are only hindered by ones imagination. Schools will probably close.

We live in interesting times...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 10:00am
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Lots of panic buying as N.Z prepares for armageddon. Supermarket shelves empty as i witnessed yesterday.
An indictment on the Government and media. No one believes them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 10:23am
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People in NZ in general are woefully unprepared for any sort of disaster. Average home has no emergency plan or supplies.
There will be no starving masses.
Only a few very worried or physically vulnerable will self isolate.
I generally don't go near large crowds anyway. But I travel daily and visit a lot of people.
I am not too worried as there is little the average person can do about something out of their control.
you can't fix an idiot with duct tape, but it does muffle them for a while...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 11:01am
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Stats..
 One can make them say what ever you like.. espec if a media reporter wanting to make front page..or a polly.

Looking at some basic ballpark critical/ death stats.
Over 80 14/15%
 Under 60 varies from 0.2 to 1.3.

 Pre existing conditions
 Heart  about 12%  which is a large proportion of those over 80yrs
 Dieitbeties  about 8% 
 lungs 7% 
 Cancers etc 6%

No pre existing conditions  under 1%

So if over 80yrs and have pre existing health conditions a bit grim...If dont chances of good out look.

 If under 60 outlook good even if have pre existing conditions that are not extreme outlook pretty damn good. Even symptoms pretty mild.

Under 40yrs ave around 0.4% and again will depend on extreme pre existing conditions

Chances of getting the Coro are damn good.
 If fit basically healthy, chances are you will not get a sick as normal flu ( my not even know you have got it) and excellent chance of survival
 If over 70/80 and not in good condition...a lot of things including a normal cold or flu can cause major issues as well.. and have very high critical /death stats)
 If under 70/80 even if have mild conditions , may get rather ill, with good chances of being ok.


 This is not the spanish flu of the 1917s..
 The care and drugs to treat symptoms today where not around then.

 Government/ pollies and media have a lot to answer for..

As my Grandfather used to say , old saying from trenches of WW!,
" Count to 10 very sloooowly , then panic in an orderly manner."


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 5:44pm
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Back to OP question.

Its a pretty mild inter species virus. There are some 1500 predicted that if travel to humans are stronger than the great plague.

Looking at death rates it seems about 4%, but I think early detection, quarantine and QUALITY respiratory specialists and most 1st world should be ok

It may cause down turn in NZ economy given we have gone from a US based economy in 2002 to a Chinese one, as you said, tourism major issue.

NZ was rated by bloomberg as the 2nd most over inflated property market likely to have a major correction (possibly up to 40% which is about how over inflated the sheep pushed the market). But it would take a major external event as NZs economy is currently strong, interest rates are low and NZ has major banking bail out packages. So yes its WAY over inflated, but I think will take more than this virus to correct it.

My cousin lives in China. His thoughts are the wet markets need some kind of control. I tend to agree looking at the meats being mixed via live animals being executed.

Not overly concerned. There have been WAY worse viruses in history, there are far worse to come.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 6:41pm
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Lots of panic buying as N.Z prepares for armageddon. Supermarket shelves empty as i witnessed yesterday.
An indictment on the Government and media. No one believes them.

Don't know how you can blame the government for Covid-19.  To be fair, its the experts who say what should be done, and so far I reckon things have been pretty well handled in NZ.

The acid test will come when there is a substantial outbreak, and it will happen sometime, whoever is in government
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 7:10pm
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There is no way the health system will cope with a major outbreak.

I thought there was an army of woke ready to work in the health system too.
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Lots of panic buying as N.Z prepares for armageddon. Supermarket shelves empty as i witnessed yesterday.
An indictment on the Government and media. No one believes them.



No it just shows how ill informed the average person is
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 7:26pm
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This the most reputable medical journal in the world provides a stark contrast to the hysteria here and in the media

“ On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Lots of panic buying as N.Z prepares for armageddon. Supermarket shelves empty as i witnessed yesterday.
An indictment on the Government and media. No one believes them.
 
Interesting bit on Nat Radio [ this afternoon i think it was ] where the comment was made it was mainly Chinese people stocking up ie noodles totally sold out. The reason the commentator said was NZers trusted their govt to tell them the truth and the Chinese didnt trust the  govt they had left and it was a carry over to NZ.
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Originally posted by reel crayze reel crayze wrote:

Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Lots of panic buying as N.Z prepares for armageddon. Supermarket shelves empty as i witnessed yesterday.
An indictment on the Government and media. No one believes them.


 
Interesting bit on Nat Radio [ this afternoon i think it was ] where the comment was made it was mainly Chinese people stocking up ie noodles totally sold out. The reason the commentator said was NZers trusted their govt to tell them the truth and the Chinese didnt trust the  govt they had left and it was a carry over to NZ.


Or the Chinese doing the “panic” buying have heard through relatives back in China something we haven’t.
Iranian government has issued warnings to their media to apply filters when disclosing Coronavirus reports or figures.
Time will tell particularly as we head in to our flu/winter period.
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Toilet paper seems to be top of many people's shopping lists....
you can't fix an idiot with duct tape, but it does muffle them for a while...
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Originally posted by Big -Dave Big -Dave wrote:

Toilet paper seems to be top of many people's shopping lists....


The Pak n Save I visited this afternoon had no flour left on the shelves.
Maybe those that missed out on toilet paper are going to block themselves up with flour.😂
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Interesting bit on Nat Radio [ this afternoon i think it was ] where the comment was made it was mainly Chinese people stocking up ie noodles totally sold out. The reason the commentator said was NZers trusted their govt to tell them the truth and the Chinese didnt trust the  govt they had left and it was a carry over to NZ.
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I did notice when they reported on this on the news over the weekend that all the queues they showed were made up of 99% Asians.
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Originally posted by whippersnappyr whippersnappyr wrote:

This the most reputable medical journal in the world provides a stark contrast to the hysteria here and in the media

“ On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%

There is Hysteria? WTF, kiwis need to travel more. I find the AVG kiwi is so isolated in economic and general global thinking due to only ever having been in NZ and we are so isolated, which shows with our our gum nit like Media (mike hosking, what a .....). The word Hysteria reminds me of kiwis and the property market. Sheep, nobody wants to get caught by the big bad wolf, but if the big one does come the irony is property is what will catch them out. Who knows what the percentage of hysteria per racial ancestry really is. But Chinese are use to these cross species diseases. So surprised somewhat Chinese Kiwis would be in hysteria.

I read an article on the NY Times, which discusses how society turns to chaos and one of the first things, much like the great depression is, people turn to prejudice, and racial issues is one of the first to start.

Ive got the totals for each country and i had death rate in China at 4% so is good to know its less.

83k~ cases in china, 90k~ cases in total.

Yes its worse than swin flue in spreading (so far 10x), but mortality is about the same.

As everyone keeps saying, its the elderly with existing healthy issues ie like my mum who just died, had emphasema, if she caught it, well yeah....

People are going to catch it and go home and die instead of going to the hospital?

I dont see how NZ has done anything bad yet, the case from Iran they tested 3 times before detecting it which shows the care they are taking with its symptoms and then they quarantined the whole family.

Really this is down to China manning up and shutting it down, which perhaps they were a bit behind the 8 ball, but the epicentre is now in full lock down.

I personally do not feel this is one of the big ones yet. It does indicate how much pressure 1st world countries should be putting on countries transitioning in growth stage to 1st world how much care they need to be putting on food processing and cross contamination, ie wet markets.

My cousin (kiwi) in China is saying dont believe the western media hype, but I think hes also being a bit bravado about it.

The realty is if you are over 80 and have health issues, your chances of dying are high in reality from many things, 2% from this just adds a fraction more chance to it all.

Unless mortality rates start sky rocketing, Im not concerned beyond watching numbers.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 10:07am
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Panic buying at supermarkets.
 Again media hype.

 Read the headlines and the articles and they give the impression this is nation wide.
B.S.
 At best isolated shops and communities.

We went past and into several local supermarkets right in the middle of the PANIC BUY periods.
Yep car park  reasonably full.. but hey it usually is at on that day and time.
Nps buying what we needed.. except 10L distilled water..
All the other bottled water was low but good on the shelves.
Waited a few minutes, the truck was being unloaded and soon we had our 10L distilled water for our Brevelle espresso machine.
 No way can we go without our fresh ground beans espresso.
We dont need distilled water , but the rural rain water tanks are dry due to the drought and the town supply has high mineral content that long term ( 3 to5yrs) even with maintenance stuffs the machine.
Remember the drought, biggest in a decade..

Everyone forgotten about the effects of drought and the on going economic consequences?
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