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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 3:12pm
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No Muppet, that is just pandering. You can't be "genuinely worried" about something there is absolutely NO genuine worry about.

Step up and get the vaccine or step back and live without the freedoms that the vaccinated get. 

It is also well past time for those who have missed out on cancer screening and the other near 100,000 preocedures were considered instead of treating them as though their lives don't matter as long as some numpty refuses the vaccine.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 4:00pm
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The government has chosen to close down those procedures it is not the fault of people who won’t get the vaccine.
The government is making it look their fault and it’s pathetic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 4:11pm
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Ah look the noose is tightening
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 4:21pm
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You can't see the link?

We aren't doing those procedures because they are "scared" that the unvaccinated will overwhelm our ability to treat them in hospital. That pretty much makes it the fault of the unvaccinated in my, and I suspect most others, book.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 4:31pm
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Salty you are avoiding the fact that we are going to have a huge percentage done. I have already said good enough for everywhere else including Australia. The pandering will be for a minority but if you want the job done higher it’s the best option in my opinion. Those who choose not to be jabbed need not be made lepers of and will get treated as people should. None of the they won’t be able to do A, B or C rubbish.

I have not heard no jab no dole yet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 4:48pm
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And you are ignoring the reality of the rules being put in place here. If we have learned anything over the last 18 months it is that this government is erring on the side of a ridiculous level of caution. Muddying what is actually going to happen here with references to what has happened elsewhere or could happen if we didn't have this government is in the realms of make believe not reality.

Reality is, the unvaccinated are holding the majority of NZ to ransom, yes, because of this governments policy and their reprehensible "not invented here" approach to ignoring input either from overseas or from businesses/businessmen here. But, we can't change the government so this is where we are!

So, as i said above, step up and get vaccinated  or step back and accept the restrictions placed upon the unvaccinated. It is as easy as that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 4:55pm
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It seems now that the Govt wont say that a person has to have a jab, again they have put in in the hands of the employer like they do with health and safety, you have to carry out a risk assessment, which is ok in theory but its kind of like if you don't do one and some one gets injured then look out but if you don't and nothing happens then Oh well she will be ok. I think small businesses will find it very hard to challenge anti vaxxes, and some wont because they could risk losing key staff if they press the point to hard. It sounds like that we may eventually achieve the 90% target of those they consider to be eligible, but what about the illegals, the under 5s etc etc really 90% of the total population may be a tall ask ? and if you don't need an ID to have or not have a jab how do  you really know?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 5:01pm
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Salty the rest of the world at 70% plus has moved on from this nonsense. Life goes on, it is the government not accepting the reality that people are different and will not always do as they told or asked too.
Diversity eh not so good all the time is it.

There are two reasons why it won’t sink in with Jacinda you can figure that one out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 5:24pm
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Originally posted by tjm tjm wrote:

It seems now that the Govt wont say that a person has to have a jab, again they have put in in the hands of the employer like they do with health and safety, you have to carry out a risk assessment, which is ok in theory but its kind of like if you don't do one and some one gets injured then look out but if you don't and nothing happens then Oh well she will be ok. I think small businesses will find it very hard to challenge anti vaxxes, and some wont because they could risk losing key staff if they press the point to hard. It sounds like that we may eventually achieve the 90% target of those they consider to be eligible, but what about the illegals, the under 5s etc etc really 90% of the total population may be a tall ask ? and if you don't need an ID to have or not have a jab how do  you really know?


Yeah tjm. Has there ever been another vaccine in history which means you lose your job and rights to go into places because you choose not have it? Crazy eh.

Also a vaccine that has all those provisions attached and that actually does not stop you getting it or passing it on. It’s Monty Python stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 5:41pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 7:54pm
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If a business took the path that the govt is taking, don't force someone to resign, but make it as awful and difficult for the employee to stay, then the result would be construed dismissal.

The reason for your misery is not the few unvaccinated, they pose no significantly greater hazard to your health than those who are. It is the result of slavish obedience to the dictator, who claims to be the source of all factual knowledge, but steadfastly disregards anything that dosent assist with propelling herself forward along her self aggrandising path.

As pointed out in this thread, other countries have learned their lessons, what works, what dosent, but our glorious leader Heil Jacinda!, is hell bent on getting her way, despite the pain she inflicts..

So if you are feeling hard done by, victimized, go spend some hours researching the uncomfortable truth instead of spouting the predictable rhetoric of trusting our experts, the government dosent trust them themselves..the breakthrough infection rates, the truthful stats of countries with extremely high vaccination rates. But I'm betting most of you won't. ..

This govt has done next to nothing right in the time it has been in power, yet you trust implicitly now..?
Look around you, people are at each other's throats in so many different areas, yep, keep them so busy scrapping..they won't lift their eyes or engage their brains to see the real threat.


Where Europe is..

eu parliment on covid passport


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you can't fix an idiot with duct tape, but it does muffle them for a while...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 10:26pm
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personally I’m all for vaccination but totally against compulsion. The situation we are in is due to the strategic failings and tactical incompetence of the government not the people. 

I am for individual responsibility so I don’t buy into all the marginalised community nonsense. Marginalised or not there has been plenty of time for them to get vaccinated if they want to. The onus is on the individual not me or you or the government. 

I can understand different rules for unvaxxed in terms of freedoms simply to maintain a working health system for the rest of us. I don’t understand the need to compel anyone other than border workers, healthcare workers and first responder to vaccinate. 

Given we aren’t going to be even remotely free until we have 90% doubled vaxxed at that point I personally don’t care if I happen to come into contact with someone Unvaxxed in a transient setting. Yes they are more likely to be Covid positive but then I am less likely to contract it and massively less likely to get sick. Eventually we are all going to get it. 

I can maybe support some law that says customer facing businesses like retail or hospo need to indicate whether or not all their staff are vaccinated so those who would rather not risk exposure can take their business elsewhere
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2021 at 7:40am
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2021 at 9:15am
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2021 at 9:17am
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Again Steps you would probably not believe the amount of unnecessary visits to ED that could be mandated out of society if we took the current social pressure path of the vaccination program.

Well yes I more than believe.. even in the economic and financial forecasts, then the reports out of DHBs, medical Specialist organisations over the last few decades have had dire warnings about obesity and relates deceases, and the DHBs not meeting budgets or beds, resources to cover them..
All on the back pages of the 'news'

Im 1.5kg off my BMI, had to have open heart 3yrs ago, primarily due to an unknown at the time genetic condition on the widow maker and rear arteries..had to wait 2 weeks locked in a ward because of basically 'self inflicted' illness of others

Take drugs be a social leper.
Alcoholic same boat.
Obese well you ain’t getting a thing.
Let’s mandate against free money while we are at it.

And yes those have been the warnings

Let’s mandate against all potential bad health and lifestyle choices that cost money and do harm.

YES thats been the underlying warnings (I mention aqbove ) from Specialists , DHBs and economists.

Now we have Covid, doing best to cater for that unplanned pandemic, plus the above and non vacced ppl..
Non vacced because of their freedom of choice..

I say self inflicted obesity above..
My legs dont work well so have a card for distances...
Far too often I park next to a car, the obese driver is stuffing (yes stuffs not eats) a couple pies and sends the fit passenger in to do the shopping.

1/ that is no different than cutting off a leg to quailfy for a disabled parking card
2/ I must be the person who is disabled leave the car NOT the bloody passenger.

And the big hate .. there are more of them than non card ppl parking in those places in some areas like Sth Auckland....  statically the same local ppl who are not getting vacced, and covid kills, and are same ppl that if vacced, covid still sends to hospital and often die.

We do not have the population base, and have not for many decades, to financially support with staff, resources plus Covid plus the normal sickness ppl...
 And the latter are the political victims.

Remove the self inflicted , 'by choice to be sick' plus covid and we have a well resourced, health system.

Something will give one day...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2021 at 9:40am
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Now I see the idiots are trying to break the Akl border to go up north, isn't this the group the Govt has spent an additional $400 mill to educate and also assist with vaccinations?

This is what NZ is up against,, again how did they manage to leave Rotorua, Hamilton is still in lockdown so it means our borders are next to useless as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2021 at 12:39pm
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Yes correct no borders anywhere except Mercer/Mangatawhiri.The public are suppose to be self poolicing.
Went through Mercer at 3.30am and on the Meremere side was about 50 cars of the great unwashed.A police line was present with one unwashed videoing the police line,by the border control side was another line of senior police.No sense of humour as were forced to stop as a bit of movement was happening."Dont **** around give them the tazer,Move along driver was the reply.Heard at 10.00am the great unwashed parked a couple of cars across highway so come up via hwy2
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2021 at 1:42pm
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https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/anthony-fauci-bipartisan-nih-abuse-de-barked-beagle-puppies-1641904%3famp=1

This is how they are going to rid themselves of Fauci, cruelty to animals.
Just like Cuomo, use another tool.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2021 at 2:00pm
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Yeh pathetic really, a little good news for we fishermen in Hamilton, it sounds that we may be able get out to the west coast at least if conditions are good as of tomorrow. Not sure about Kaiaua which is still in Akls level 3 ? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2021 at 3:55pm
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Originally posted by tjm tjm wrote:

Yeh pathetic really, a little good news for we fishermen in Hamilton, it sounds that we may be able get out to the west coast at least if conditions are good as of tomorrow. Not sure about Kaiaua which is still in Akls level 3 ? 
Kaiua is Not in Auckland ,level 2 refer map on ,zoom out map.

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