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Haha yes Dave agree with most of what you say.
I can see the vaccine being an issue in the work place so for my boss and job I got it. It’s not really at all the best reason to do something medically is it.
I have seen numerous times that having Covid will give you much longer immunity to it too. And it’s not hotly disputed either.

As for the government, well let’s put it this way. In France they are trying to convict an ex politician who said there was not much risk from Covid.

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/live-news/20210910-french-ex-health-minister-agn%25C3%25A8s-buzyn-charged-over-handling-of-covid-19-pandemic

As long we can apply those principles to any issue over any long term effects of the vaccine against those who would be deemed as pushing them onto people. Because we are probably going to see a lot more people vaccinated than actually have Covid.
That is going to require a lot of transparency.
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Originally posted by Big -Dave Big -Dave wrote:

I heard of reports of the army hauling people out of their homes and forcefully vaccinating them...
I also heard of up to 250 deaths from vaccine in nz,.

You need to stop hanging out with those guys in tinfoil hats Dave, sounds like they are getting to you.
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Originally posted by waynorth waynorth wrote:

Originally posted by Tonto2 Tonto2 wrote:

WOW so now the Judge is telling the press that they cant ask questions and even that they cant ask the Wanaka neighbours.

Listen folks this is not Nazi Germany
Time for you to resign Sharp, your a disgrace


Pretty harsh Tonto. She told Stuff (not the press) not to pursue THOSE particular questions as they were defamatory. She's a judge remember - she knows a bit about this. Note also that Stuff hasn't published what the questions were. 

its note against the law to ask questions
slowly going where everyone else has already been
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Also stuff is the press. And also she can't :
"tell" anyone anything
slowly going where everyone else has already been
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Originally posted by Tonto2 Tonto2 wrote:

Collins for Prime Minister https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126405710/judge-questions-value-of-mobled-rehab-programme-at-sentencing-of-gang-member
its being exposed for the scam it really is. But I have to laugh at the self reported clean drug test which shows the system is working. By the way how does having a clean drug test have anything to do with a conviction for dealing meth? Does every ferrari salesman drive a ferrari?
Why choose either diving or fishing when you can do both. Besides crayfish tail is very good bait!!
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No need to guess about the adverse events linked to the vaccinations, there is a publicly available Medsafe site that reports it, latest published yesterday: 1 likely 15 under investigation, 5 insufficient information and 19 unlikely link:  (https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-26.asp?fbclid=IwAR3GcMhMXgO8CCg1941mAgYEMnVXcSuxUM0Nu6hzm_FYD5yNqq0d6OP8To4 )

Summary of reported deaths

Up to and including 28 August 2021, a total of 40 deaths were reported to CARM after the administration of the Comirnaty vaccine. Following medical assessments by CARM and Medsafe it has been determined that:

  • 19 of these deaths are unlikely related to the COVID-19 vaccine
  • 5 deaths could not be assessed due to insufficient information
  • 15 cases are still under investigation.
  • 1 death was likely due to vaccine induced myocarditis (awaiting Coroner’s determination)

By chance, some people will experience new illnesses or die from a pre-existing condition shortly after vaccination, especially if they are elderly. Therefore, part of our review process includes comparing natural death rates to observed death rates following vaccination, to determine if there are any specific trends or patterns that might indicate a vaccine safety concern.

To date, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination is actually less than the expected number of natural deaths.

Mortalities by age group up to and including 28 August 2021

AgeMortalities
10 - 29 years0
30 - 59 years6
60 - 79 years15
80+ years19
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Originally posted by SaltyC SaltyC wrote:

No need to guess about the adverse events linked to the vaccinations, there is a publicly available Medsafe site that reports it, latest published yesterday: 1 likely 15 under investigation, 5 insufficient information and 19 unlikely link:  (https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-26.asp?fbclid=IwAR3GcMhMXgO8CCg1941mAgYEMnVXcSuxUM0Nu6hzm_FYD5yNqq0d6OP8To4 )

Summary of reported deaths

Up to and including 28 August 2021, a total of 40 deaths were reported to CARM after the administration of the Comirnaty vaccine. Following medical assessments by CARM and Medsafe it has been determined that:

  • 19 of these deaths are unlikely related to the COVID-19 vaccine
  • 5 deaths could not be assessed due to insufficient information
  • 15 cases are still under investigation.
  • 1 death was likely due to vaccine induced myocarditis (awaiting Coroner’s determination)

By chance, some people will experience new illnesses or die from a pre-existing condition shortly after vaccination, especially if they are elderly. Therefore, part of our review process includes comparing natural death rates to observed death rates following vaccination, to determine if there are any specific trends or patterns that might indicate a vaccine safety concern.

To date, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination is actually less than the expected number of natural deaths.

Mortalities by age group up to and including 28 August 2021

AgeMortalities
10 - 29 years0
30 - 59 years6
60 - 79 years15
80+ years19

It will be interesting to see what the mortality rate will be at the end of the trials. No doubt the numbers will be low...as they said if you are elderly and die...its doubtful it was anything to do with the vaccine. smh
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I heard of a teenager dying not long after a shot that was shut down after a coroners report I believe.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-coroner-says-death-of-teen-not-linked-to-vaccine/OEEJATMBMBPX2BGBA2XWEET37Y/
Quick search online

It’s quite interesting how the counts are done though.
If you die within 28 days of a positive covid test it it is listed as a covid death.
Yet I see the time lapse for a link to the vaccination is only 21 days…that’s in the UK at least.

Which is odd given we know lots of different vaccination programs has more complications than death.
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To be fair...you could be labled as a covid death if testing positive after dieing of cancer...heart attack... If you die from jumping off a cliff...was it the gravity that killed you...or the sudden stop at the bottom?
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Yes I heard that although it’s pretty clear that Covid did cut the lives of those shorter than probably would have been.

You got to compare fairly in my opinion.

Especially if there is a higher than natural rate of myocarditis among those vaccinated people.
It’s like they take a covid death personally but a possibility of a link to the vaccine as it was going to happen anyway. Which I don’t get.
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there is a huge difference between dying WITH covid as opposed to dying FROM covid. Thats the point im trying to make. Myocarditis is only one of the many side effects of the vaccine....that is apparent while still in test phase....what will the slightly longer term side effects be? We dont know.
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"I heard"  "found this " "my grandmother auntie said this"

 OK number vaccinations  world wide .. is millions.. nah not going to both getting the stats of ppl dieing ..

Those who are worried about side effects , death blah  blah..

 If so you will never had  been in airplanes or cars , or buses, or boats ... or crossed the road , or stung buy a sting ray , or swiming and drowned...and will never again.
 Why ? cause the chances of getting hurt or dieing are far greater than the vaccines.

And this is anti vac logic applied ...

 Also notice most of use just get on and do what we think needs doing..
 Then we have the bloody anti vaccs, keep forcing , jamming their logic down the rest (by far majority) of people...

Just let use get on with what we want to do, and you do , or not do , your thing..
 But like measles small pox , and host of other deadly stuff... keep you and your family away from our grandchildren.

 We just seen what happened around the world with the recent measles out break...


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who is your opinion pointed at steps....me? Im not anti vax..my kids are immunized against MMR...Ive had vaccinations aswell. All im saying is I wont take tis vaccine as its still in trials for another 2 years... does that make me a non vaxxer in peoples eyes? If it does...so be it...I dont really care to be honest. As you said...you do you. I dont care if people get vaccinated...none of my business...see how that works?
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Fishfeeder2, I do concur- who is "forcing, jamming their logic" down who?
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