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Alan you are correct, Mutsu is a style of hook.  They are the same / similar to what I would call a Recurve hook.  They come in offset and non-offset configurations.  Similar to circle hooks in that the point of the hook is at 90 deg (or close to) the shank.
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So what is the difference between the BKK circle I use and the Mutsu. The BKK is in foreground (offset). Same size Mustad in background.
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Originally posted by Alan L Alan L wrote:

So what is the difference between the BKK circle I use and the Mutsu. The BKK is in foreground (offset). Same size Mustad in background.
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Different manufacturers use different terminology.  Mutsu and recurve hooks are often included within the 'circle' style of hooks.  The image below is from the Gamakatsu website under the circle hooks category.  The bottom left hook is a mutsu or recurve the others are more typical style circles.


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Right - so my BKK is more a circle - which I think is how they sell them. But they also sell a BKK Mutsu. It looks like it has more of a leg on the barb side, rather than a full curve.
Any guesses as to why a Mutsu would be better - assuming it is, over a circle.
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Originally posted by Alan L Alan L wrote:

... Any guesses as to why a Mutsu would be better - assuming it is, over a circle.

Good question and not one I can readily give you an answer to.  Perhaps someone else can?
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Originally posted by Fish Addict Fish Addict wrote:

Originally posted by Alan L Alan L wrote:

So what is the difference between the BKK circle I use and the Mutsu. The BKK is in foreground (offset). Same size Mustad in background.
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Different manufacturers use different terminology.  Mutsu and recurve hooks are often included within the 'circle' style of hooks.  The image below is from the Gamakatsu website under the circle hooks category.  The bottom left hook is a mutsu or recurve the others are more typical style circles.


Bottom left is the shape of the ones i use Allan. On the package it says Mutsu-R the size, Qty, Made in Korea. Decoro Fishing Supplies in Tauranga has all the sizes. Also they come in red or bronze. Have found bronze colour better as they last alot longer before the coating starts wearing off and rust starts. Even the little sizes are deadly on hook ups. I make three hook sabiki rigs for catching bait using size two. many a time get three fish at once. Hope this helps....


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I use exclusive Sakuma Hooks and have done for 10+ years now, I only surf cast and lbg fish. I have found the Sakuma  Mutsu Hook made in Japan the perfect  the barb is off-set the same as Alan has posted above ( bottom hook) but the eye is straight , now the way the eye is folded is opposite to the way the barb goes so when you tie a snood it pulls up to the hook shank /eye not the cut side of hook . Some company's may call the Mutsu hook semi circle ( but have wrong offset and bent eye).
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Well I guess I should get some and try them. See if better hook up than BKK circle.
So much fishing to do, so many plans, so little time. Lucky I don't have a proper job to interfere.
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Funnily enough I think I am using some - on my ledger rigs.
Recently switched to Black magic KL size 5. I swear they are same shape.
Getting about 90% hook up rate.
I will grab some Mutsu #32 (size 10), for Vtu.
Be posting a report in a few weeks.
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When I go snapper fishing off West Coast, I use a Snapper Catcha Gamakatsu flasher rig, 8/0. I have a rod holder that holds the rod at 45 degrees. Drop the bait, put rod in holder and wait. When the rod bounces continuously you're hooked up.
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Originally posted by Fishb8 Fishb8 wrote:

When I go snapper fishing off West Coast, I use a Snapper Catcha Gamakatsu flasher rig, 8/0. I have a rod holder that holds the rod at 45 degrees. Drop the bait, put rod in holder and wait. When the rod bounces continuously you're hooked up.
Wind in fish. Lazy fishing, well, yes and no. Effective fishing - YES!

PRECISELY what I do. And the BM KL hooks work a treat. But those Gamakatsu are very good too.
I think the bouncing is a key part of the plan - certainly for gurnard. Hard to do same holding the rod.
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