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Hi Guys,

we are thinking of getting a small runabout for fishing, but being new to boats and boat fishing have no idea where to start. I have read some of the other posts and have gotten quite a bit of info from them but have a few  more questions.

I am guessing that ply boats should be avoided as they are heavy and can tend to rot ? Ideally I want to get something that can be manageable by one person for midweek fishing when I can't find anyone to come out with me, but yet I dont want to get a vessel that might restrict me.

I am thinking of maybe a small tinny, say around 14ft/16ft - just how far out can you safely go in these ? I know alot depends on conditions but are these okay for trips out to and around rangitito, waiheke etc... ?

The tinny option sounds more appealing to me with the advantage of being able to beach launch but then again having a fibreglass 16ft Pelin or something similar with a cabin also has its attractions - what are these like to launch and retrieve single-handedly ?

Your thoughts and comments would be much appreciated :)

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p/s: our budget is only a couple of grand

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Hi Si,

Ply boats are a lot lighter than Fibreglass, maybe slightly heavier than Aluminium.  A good ply boat is a great thing, a bad one is a dog.  If they are built of marine ply and have been properly painted and maintained, ie no rot they are fine.  The tinny is a bit easier to keep clean, bit's of bait un noticed under the floor in a ply boat can be a bit of a drama long term.

I launch a 6m alloy hardtop on my own all of the time,  the trick is a good trailer and reasonable ramp.  I do have the benefit of  pontoon to tie up to while I go and get the car.

Good luck, fishing is a pretty addictive thing, being about the most fun you could imagine.

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heya si, take a look back through the postings in boat shed as i asked the same question not long ago and got some great advice.  but having been a few kms offshore in tobes little tinny recently i can see it is possible to do alot with a small boat with some planning and attention to the weather.
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its all about confidence aye CJ, like i said ive been to the poor knights to the hen and chicks and then back to HSB, in that tinny and you can see that its quite capable of handling big seas depending on the driver, next time im putting a couple of legless chairs for the bum..wonder if that canoes still there...i bags it if it is!
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Thanks for the advice so far guys,

Tobes, what size and make is your tinny and what size motor have you got on it ?

Am on a tight budget at the moment coz we're saving for our wedding in Feb but wouldn't mind a cheap runabout for the summer to get out there and try this boat fishing thing and then maybe get something better after that when we have more dosh. I was doing quite a bit of fishing last summer from a sit-on kayak but sold it when the water got too cold and decided that this summer I would get myself a boat instead but I really don't know where to start as I don't personally know anyone with boating experience.

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hi si...just read the rest of your post..ive spent many days tiki touring around in a 10 foot with a 9hp, been to the noisies, ahhahahahaha's and waiheke, launching from milford beach, like you said pick your weather and have a cellphone and safety gear..if you've only got 2 grand to spend that will hardly get you an oar...save for a good outboard thats what gets you home bar fuel..lol...i took old tuna catcher in 1-2m with 15 - 20knots on it and the boat was great, even tho there was a funny smell coming from up front but a 10lb snapper fixed that!...you didnt even get too wet aye tuna man! now i may be shunned for saying this but if your out and about by yourself i used to take a 20kg sac of sand for ballist (its not likely to move in any sea youll encounter) and comfort and moved it depending on the weather and wind..ie the more wind the further forward as you dont want wind getting under the boat incase of flippage, esp on the plane and further back on calm days for easier planeing and fuel economy..make any sense?
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hi Si, best thing to do is tell us where you live and see if you can get on someone elses boat for a few trips, as you can learn heaps by going on other peoples boats.
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Hi Tonto,

I live in Weymouth village, actually not far from the boat ramp here so if anyone is ever launching from here I would be keen to come and meet you and have a chat.

As for navigation lights... are these a legal requirement and do you have them on tinnies ?

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Hi Si. I have a small fibreglass boat (15') and sometimes I wish it would be nice to have a bigger boat, but if i did, I wouldn't be able to afford to run the thing, mainly because I would want to charge of out the back of beyond past where all the fish really are. A small boat is really easy to handle which is great if you fish with kids or on your own. You can easily reach Waiheke, Kawau, Tiri and places like that in a small boat, I met a guy once who regularly took his open boat ...about a 13 footer from memory out through the Waikato River Heads, which is probably one of the better big snapper spots around.

It is all a matter of being sensible. I have had my boat out in the middle of Poverty Bay a few times, just remember if you are fishing open water, there's NO shelter and you have to get back. There are lots of fishing options with a small boat, especially in the Hauraki gulf. I fish the Manukau Harbour a fair bit and it is well suited to small boats.

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Si , send me your ph. no. and i will call you next time i go out
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si your also welcome to come to HSB with me sometime for a few pointers...i think CJ maybe suggesting october sometime, sounds good CJ,  KSi you up?
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sorry si too much rugby gets the head..its a little fyran about 12yrs old originally a merc but last time out a 15hp suzuki which was way too heavy...lights are essentail mate, all you need is one white allround light, thats law, but if your going to be in a busy harbour, logic would say the brighter the better, theres nothing wrong with carrying a spare car battery with a 1,000,000 candle power spotty for showing the boats where you are, also a radar reflector on a stick is a good idea for night fishing. Like smudge said...., just remember if you are fishing open water, there's NO shelter and you have to get back....you have acess to internet i use sportfishing.co.nz, hope i can say that kez, that has lots of links for predicting weather and they are 80% right so homework and studying the clouds is essential...if in doubt dont go out!
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Another bonus with small boats is that you have to fish in close if the weather turns dodgy, can be some pretty productive areas that you would probably otherwise miss if you decided to head out further. I dont miss too many days because the weather is bad and those days where you do stay at home tend to be too rough for the bigger boats as well, they just travel further on the marginal days.

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Hey, thanks for all the great advice guys and for the offers Tonto and Tobes, am definitely up for it ! (have PM'd you my contact info)

I have read some pretty amusing stories in here that have given me a good laugh about peoples doings on boat ramps and I think it would be great if I could learn some tips from the experts before I am the one making a spoon out of myself on a boat ramp somewhere lol.

By the way Tobes, where or what is HSB ? I often usually have weekdays off, either tue/wed or wed/thu but if I know a specific date 3 weeks in advance I can make sure I am off on that particular day.

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Hi Si

You have come to the right place. I got lots of greta advice when buying my first boat. It is a 14ft6inch glass boat with a small cabin. It is in "the Boat Shed" somewhere. Though i haven't tried it yet, I have no doubt it would be very manageable by one person.

Litsen to the guys re safety and weather. They know what they are talking about.

Get it right and it is the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

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I agree with all the above but would again mention what Toby has said. I would save a bit more and buy a 14 fter as its big enough not to get into trouble. As for night fishing in it, I wouldnt for quite a while as at night the coast all looks the same. I have fished the Coromandel Islands for over 10 years and still have to study it to find my way home (thats why I bought a chart plotter) You may be able to but a 10 or 12 fter for two or 3 thousand but the motor alone can cost $1500 for a good one of about 6 to 10 horses, we sold one about 2 months ago for $1200 and it was getting old.
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those nice wide quintrex dorys look the sh*t! 4.2 m, likely need 20+horses though. but in a boat that size you'd still have ability to beach launch, handle single handed at the ramps, and safe if it roughs up. i am starting to lean towards the tinny option meself.
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Si,

Back in the late 80's I had a ply boat with one of those half cabins. It was a complete waste of space. We never used it.

Well it was once it a real rough conditions coming back from Rakino but only by the crew who left me to take the swells over the bow.

Personally I would go for a tinny if for no other reason than you can drag it up the beach and run it onto the beach with no worries about damage

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that impressed tuna man!...bloody good things for us poor people..i scabbed mine.
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Have a mooch around the trademe.com site. There is a 14ft ply boat for 10 bucks and a 10hp motor for 48. All you need is a trailer!

Seriously, there can be some good bargains to be had.

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