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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=88828">MacSkipper</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6969<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Aug 2019 at 8:35am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Steps" alt="Originally posted by Steps" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Steps wrote:</strong><br /><br />Not really.. Its just they tend to scare the hell out of me.. as a young teenage belonging to a surf club&nbsp; up nth, we , 2x had top go out on the rocks and pull in dead bodies from idiots crossing the bar..The same bar we would ride the river current out on out surf boards, pre leg ropes in far better conditions.<br><br>The distance <b>to</b> the Manukau bar and back is about the same as our usual trips on the east coast...then to get out to just the 40m mark&nbsp; is 2x that.<br>The Waikato bar is way less than a east coast day trip.<br><br>Also when we went out over the bar in your mac,.. everyone would like to be sensible, you showed how to be sensible. <br><br></td></tr></table><div>Jeepers pulling in bodies from a bar as a teenager scary stuff!<div><br></div><div>Yes we had a good trip over Manukau Bar that day, I have done over a 100 crossings but got caught in some pretty rough conditions a few times one was bad enough to make me pucker up!</div><div><br></div><div>I agree is better to err of side of caution and get home to loved ones every trip.</div></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=87056">Steps</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6969<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Aug 2019 at 8:59am<br /><br />Not really.. Its just they tend to scare the hell out of me.. as a young teenage belonging to a surf club&nbsp; up nth, we , 2x had top go out on the rocks and pull in dead bodies from idiots crossing the bar..The same bar we would ride the river current out on out surf boards, pre leg ropes in far better conditions.<br><br>The distance <b>to</b> the Manukau bar and back is about the same as our usual trips on the east coast...then to get out to just the 40m mark&nbsp; is 2x that.<br>The Waikato bar is way less than a east coast day trip.<br><br>Also when we went out over the bar in your mac,.. everyone would like to be sensible, you showed how to be sensible. <br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=88828">MacSkipper</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6969<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 Aug 2019 at 8:44am<br /><br />Steps, Thanks for posting great post I had not seen before - sounds like you are hooked on West Coast bars(I mean the nautical ones&nbsp;<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />!)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=87056">Steps</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6969<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 Jan 2019 at 8:25am<br /><br />If..<div>&nbsp;swell over 1.5m</div><div>If wind over 10kn.</div><div>If 1st 1/4 to 1/2 of the incoming, and know your bar gets shallow</div><div>Around 1 to 1 /2 hrs after full tide.. at the bar</div><div>&nbsp;And espec cautious on big tides</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Dont go out or be back inside..</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;Edit:</div><div>&nbsp;My rule.. if waves are breaking across the entrance.. I fish the inside..dont go. Maybe overly cautious...</div><div><br></div><div>Going out sit wait count the sets and waves.. head out after the 2nd big set.</div><div>&nbsp;Coming back in .. sit on the back of the biggest wave</div><div><br></div><div>Basic local knowledge advice for manukau and waikato bars.</div><div><br></div><div>You can count sets easy with the Waikato Council live cameras..Kawhia, Raglin , Waikato bars</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;I have sat for many weeks watching the Waikato on the live cam, different winds , different tide heights and height and direction.</div><div>&nbsp;Watch boats come and go.</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;None I have seen have been over in no cross conditions, but have seen several taking it damn close to the shallows on sth side.. think one may have hit the bottom just inside, due to change of direction.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://go.idefigo.com/#/login" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://go.idefigo.com/#/login</a></div><div>Cant rem the user/ PW its in an old post in these forums.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=48518">the demon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6969<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 Jan 2019 at 2:04pm<br /><br />Andrew Leys post back in 2004 was a goody , thought I would rehash for people to refresh on .]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=48852">Andrew Leys</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6969<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Nov 2004 at 10:00am<br /><br /><FONT size=7>&nbsp;<FONT size=3>Please excuse the length of this article. Its probably worth a read&nbsp;</FONT></FONT><FONT size=3>.</FONT><P align=center><FONT color=#0080ff><strong>Crossing the Bar</strong></FONT><BR><FONT color=#0080c0 size=3><B>This very important subject is often misrepresented and misunderstood. Here Andy Galwey draws &#111;n his many years as a professi&#111;nal fisho to provide an in-depth look at how to tackle white water bar crossings.</B></FONT><FONT size=7></P></FONT><B><P><!--webbot bot="ImageMap" text="(0,0) (171, 60) {Looks good but shows poor handling skills &#111;n the part of the driver.} {Times New Roman} 10 B #ffffff LT 0  " src= "ba_barc1.jpg" alt="Bar Crossing" align="right" border="0" u-originalsrc= "ba_barc1.gif" u-overlaysrc= "_overlay/ba_barc.html_txt_ba_barc1.gif" startspan --"><!--webbot bot="ImageMap" endspan i-checksum="0" --></B>It never ceases to amaze me to hear the advice which circulates around the boating fraternity regarding the subject of bar crossing.</P><P>&#079;nly recently I heard &#111;n a local radio show a well known fishing commentator giving his words of wisdom to a caller. He was saying the caller "should take &#111;n a wave at a quarter."</P><P>I presumed he meant a 45 degree angle. We often get asked by readers if the wave should be taken at a 10 degree angle and that's certainly a lot better than the 45 degree angle suggested by this commentator. However the right answer is straight &#111;n the bow. After recently assisting the NSW Waterways Authority in the producti&#111;n of a film feature &#111;n bar crossings c&#111;nducted at South West Rocks (&#111;ne of my old fishing grounds), the point came home to me how few boaties have taken the time, or gained the experience of bar crossing techniques. This ignorance can be attributed to a number of factors, but the main &#111;ne is simply the bulk of anglers d&#111;n't need to cross bars to get to their fishing grounds. Major fishing centres such as Sydney, Melbourne and to a lesser extent Perth, d&#111;n't have narrow outlets to the sea as seen in so many coastal towns around Australia. However, when anglers leave their familiar boating areas and take &#111;n these bars with an uneducated c&#111;nfidence, disaster can and does happen. It is the extremes of c&#111;nditi&#111;ns which come with river mouths which highlight the need for good rough water boat handling skills. And remember that &#111;nce learnt, the same principals can be applied to any situati&#111;n where there's white water, large swells, str&#111;ng currents, str&#111;ng winds and generally poor c&#111;nditi&#111;ns. The rules of bar crossing are simple - there are n&#111;ne! Each situati&#111;n has its own unique set of circumstances and the skipper must be prepared to vary the principles to his own capabilities. While there are no hard and fast rules there are some very important key elements to be c&#111;nsidered for successful bar crossing: suitable craft, local knowledge, practical preparedness, experience and mental preparati&#111;n should a mistake happen.</P><P>But before covering these topics it is essential to first understand the dynamics of a bar.</P><B><P>Tidal Effects:</B><BR>Most ocean outlets have str&#111;ng tidal movement. This movement not &#111;nly effects the shape and pattern of the waves, but also the handling characteristics of the boat. Breakwalls and man-made structures are designed and c&#111;nstructed to direct water flow as a scouring agent to wash sand away, and maintain a deep channel at the entrance to many rivers. When the tide is at its str&#111;ngest, mid to three quarters of the tide, the greatest volume of water is being moved. Surprisingly &#111;n the surface this volume of water movement can be undetectable. However, it is at this time that pressure waves, (waves that run at an angle across the general flow) can come into play. The ebb tide (out going) is usually the most dangerous. The fast flowing water hitting the incoming wave, forces a menacing face, or curl &#111;n the wave. The ebb tide can close the gap between each wave, making it difficult to manoeuvre or positi&#111;n your boat. Added to this is the problem of water depth, as the tide drops &#111;nce navigable channels become shallow sand bar areas. The making tide (incoming) can be kinder to the bar crossing boatie. It tends to aid in the filling of waves, making them rounder and thicker. It also increases depth as it c&#111;ntinues and provides cleaner water for visibility and a reducti&#111;n in floating debris. Pressure waves can remain a problem and should be treated with total respect. Tide charts are invaluable if undertaking any bar crossing. They not &#111;nly indicate tidal height, but also give some indicati&#111;n of water movement. The greater the margin between high and low tide, the greater the volume of water movement. However, tide charts are still &#111;nly an indicati&#111;n. Localised c&#111;nditi&#111;ns such as heavy rain and flooding can alter the stated figures quite drastically. With vast volumes of water rushing down swollen rivers there may be the added problem of floating debris, logs and whole trees being swept out to sea over the bar.</P><P>Boat owners should also note that their vessel is less buoyant in freshwater and will handle a little differently in "fresh" c&#111;nditi&#111;ns.</P><B><P>Wind Influence:</B><BR>Local knowledge should be sought &#111;n how the bar behaves in different wind directi&#111;ns. An &#111;nshore wind can have a calming effect &#111;n a making tide as it tends to flatten the incoming swell. An offshore wind will have the same effect &#111;n the ebbtide, however it can make for a dangerous wave face &#111;n a making tide.</P><P>This is less of a problem heading to sea as a decisi&#111;n can be made based &#111;n the present c&#111;nditi&#111;ns. However, it's a different story if you are already at sea and hit unfavourable c&#111;nditi&#111;ns &#111;n you're return.</P><P><!--webbot bot="ImageMap" text="(2,0) (196, 59) {This Boat was destroyed minutes after the pic was taken.Ran out of fuel.} {Times New Roman} 10 B #ffffff LT 0  " src= "ba_barc2.jpg" alt="Bar Crossing" align="left" border="0" u-originalsrc= "ba_barc2.gif" u-overlaysrc= "_overlay/ba_barc.html_txt_ba_barc2.gif" hspace="5" vspace="5" startspan --"><!--webbot bot="ImageMap" endspan i-checksum="0" --><strong>Tip - if you know that wind c&#111;nditi&#111;ns will not be favourable for later that day, stay at home!</strong></P><B><P>Suitable Craft:</B><BR>Fishing boats come in all shapes and sizes and not all of these are suited to white water bar crossings. If your boat is not designed to cross a bar, d&#111;n't cross it. Open deck runabouts have no forward protecti&#111;n from incoming water, that's is not to say they shouldn't be taken to sea, simply that in certain c&#111;nditi&#111;ns, they w&#111;n't be suitable. Most cuddy cabin type boats have a terrific water shedding design up fr&#111;nt. They also have high windscreens with excellent bracing to withhold the pressures of water, should things go that far. C&#111;nversely centre c&#111;nsoles are not good for this type of work. This type lacks protecti&#111;n and generally provide less well placed grab rails for passengers. Admittedly as the size of the centre c&#111;nsole boat grows, things get progressively better, however your average 5 to 6 metre type is not really the ideal boat for the job. Many argue that cats are the ideal boat for bar crossing. Having d&#111;ne it many times in both cats and mono hulls, I pers&#111;nally prefer the monohull as the forward buoyancy and excellent manoeuvrability make it more suited.</P><P>In terms of interior design selfdraining cockpits are definitely better, however it's not really practical to build this feature into most boats under 5.5 metres. Remember that any decking raised above the waterline adds to instability in a small boat, a trait you do not want in a rough bar. Power, power and more power is an added b&#111;nus when taking &#111;n any bar. Being able to get up &#111;n the plane quickly and covering metres in quick time will make the task that much safer and easier. Power is also required at times to push a boat through a heavy wall of water. An underpowered boat has no place in a white water bar.</P><P><!--webbot bot="ImageMap" text="(1,1) (178, 58) {He is doing everything wr&#111;ngNever ride in fr&#111;nt of a wave like this} {Times New Roman} 10 B #ffffff LT 0  " src= "ba_barc3.jpg" alt="Bar Crossing" align="right" border="0" u-originalsrc= "ba_barc3.gif" u-overlaysrc= "_overlay/ba_barc.html_txt_ba_barc3.gif" startspan --"><!--webbot bot="ImageMap" endspan i-checksum="0" --><B>Local Knowledge:</B> <BR>If you find yourself at a spot &#111;n our coast that has a bar you need to cross, take the time to seek out the professi&#111;nals who use it regularly. Dive shops are a good starting point, they often operate similar boats to recreati&#111;nal anglers and are happy to pass &#111;n their knowledge.<B></P></B><P>Local volunteer sea rescue organisati&#111;ns are another good source, al&#111;ng with the Water Police or Waterways Authority officers. Give the local pub a miss and be wary of advice taken from amateur fisherman, unless they are well experienced. Local knowledge is crucial because the sea can hide many dangers. A wreck or boulder in the middle of the channel can go undetected even after hours of study from the shore. Neglect also can leave some navigati&#111;n markers poorly positi&#111;ned.</P><P>Sandbanks and channels can vary overnight &#111;n some bars. Bearing this in mind, differing c&#111;nditi&#111;ns can require different approaches &#111;n a daily basis. What worked for you yesterday can be a recipe for disaster today.</P><B><P>Observati&#111;n:</B><BR>Before launching the boat and undertaking any bar crossing, study the bars movements and behaviour in detail from a high vantage point. Twenty or thirty minutes studying the bar will give the in&#102;ormati&#111;n essential in making the crossing a successful &#111;ne. There is also a good chance of meeting up with the local professi&#111;nals doing the same thing and they will be happy to pass &#111;n advice. The study should take in wave patterns. Waves tend to come in set patterns at regular intervals. Sets may comprise of three, five, seven or more waves. Observati&#111;n of these set patterns will reveal the size of the waves and their frequency. Mentally count the time spacing between waves within each set and the time of the lull between sets. Take special note of the gap between each wave. If the distance is extremely narrow you may not get much time from clearing &#111;ne wave before the next wave is up&#111;n you. If this is the case you should seriously rec&#111;nsider your decisi&#111;n to go to sea. Look closely at the wave break and mentally note from which side of the bar it starts. This may determine the right track to take, or the side of the channel to approach from. While at the vantage point, cast your eyes to the far horiz&#111;n and look closely for a waterline bump, meaning rough water offshore. Experience will quickly help gauge whether it is worth fighting the bar in the first place.</P><B><P>Launching:</B><BR>Having decided to go to sea, there are a number of chores to do prior to actually going through the bar. The most obvious of these is to make sure equipment is securely in place. The crew should all be wearing life jackets and be given a positi&#111;n in the boat which maintains its balance and provides them with adequate grab rails to hold &#111;nto. A radio call should be made giving intenti&#111;ns, number of pers&#111;ns &#111;n board and time of return. When c&#111;nditi&#111;ns are not perfect or when crossing a bar at night, it is a good practice to call the base stati&#111;n and let them know when you are crossing the bar and then call again when safely through.</P><P>&#079;n the way to the bar you may c&#111;nsider turning from starboard to port to check the steering. Have the motor warmed up and check that it is idling well. If not, d&#111;n't venture near the bar. &#079;nce at the bar, sit back and study the break and wave pattern again. Double check what was learnt from land and mentally go through the planned run.</P><B><P>The Seaward Crossing:</B><BR>&#079;nce the decisi&#111;n has been made to go, throw the bilge pump into acti&#111;n, trim the motor for a bow up attitude and warn the crew to hold &#111;n. Edge closer counting the wave break pattern. If possible stay to the side the waves first break &#111;n. &#079;nce the pattern fits the plan and the decisi&#111;n is made to go, there can be no turning back. &#079;n first entering the bar it may be necessary to go up over a few waves which have depleted to running white water. These waves generally give the boat little trouble and anything below 45 cm can be crossed with power, and at angles ranging up to 45 degrees. The run should be timed to meet the first of the serious waves just after it has broken. &#079;nce the bounding wave has collapsed and c&#111;nverted into rolling white water and the bow height is at least equal to, or greater in height to the wave top, head directly into it. The boat will lift up and over it. Bow height is achieved by a direct-&#111;n approach and c&#111;nstant power. And remember it's not a matter of speed, in fact speeding is not &#111;n. As the white water is reaching the bow, apply power, forcing the boat up and over the wave. For the uninitiated the experience can be quite daunting the first time. The white water face being steered at may be a metre or more in height, but if timed correctly the boat should effortlessly ride over it. Points to watch in this instance are few, but nevertheless important. Firstly, d&#111;n't take &#111;n a white water face higher than the bow as this may cause some bow burying and loss of directi&#111;nal c&#111;ntrol. Sec&#111;ndly, maintain a direct-&#111;n attitude to the wave. There will be very little back to this type of wave, and if d&#111;ne correctly the boat should not leave the water and have a l&#111;ng fall off the back of the wave. The third point to watch is power. &#079;nce up &#111;n the wave, the white water the boat is sitting above is full of air and prop ventilati&#111;n can stop forward moti&#111;n. If power is applied correctly prior to reaching and during the initial lift up over the white water, there should be sufficient momentum to get the prop into clear water and bite. You have now got through the easy bit! The positi&#111;n of the boat within the bar area is now likely to be the most dangerous. This is because the boat will be positi&#111;ned right where the waves break. A wave breaking into, or over a boat is a frightening &#101;vent and &#111;ne which is extremely difficult for the str&#111;ngest of individuals to maintain c&#111;ntrol in. As I suggested earlier, prior to the initial run, attempt to take &#111;n the side the waves first break &#111;n. As the boat levels out from the lift up and over that first wave, the reas&#111;ns for picking this side of the channel will become obvious. Chances are that some metres up in fr&#111;nt another wave looms in a menacing breaking positi&#111;n. By steering the boat in the directi&#111;n of where the wave last brakes, gives breathing space and time to reach the &#111;n-coming wave before it breaks. Boats with a planning speed of less than 20 knots should not attempt to do this. &#079;n reaching that point, ensure the boat is pointing directly into the &#111;n-coming wave. Unless you are extremely competent, fit and have super reflexes, forget about 10 degree and certainly our radio commentators 45 degree angle of attack. &#079;nce the breaking wave is met things happen fast. There can be no hesitati&#111;n, sec&#111;nd thoughts or misjudgment. The force of even a &#111;ne metre wave is awesome. It is however far better to have that force running directly fore and aft. The slightest variance or movement to athwartships (across) the boat of that force can see a breaking wave make light work of destroying the day. Point the bow of the boat at the wave and as the two are about to meet, apply power. This will lift the bow into a wave that is initially trying to push the bow down.</P><P>If the wave is curled the bow must be deliberately pushed through the face of the wave. Any wave of medium to large size will have the power to literally sweep some&#111;ne off their feet and wash them to the back of the boat. If in this positi&#111;n, it is important to maintain c&#111;ntrol of the boat and maintain the straight-&#111;n angle of the boat to the wave. As the boat breaks through the wave, back off the power so that the boat doesn't end up in full flight out the back of the wave. If the sec&#111;nd wave has been meet at the time it should have, prior to its breaking, power up the wave face (by power I refer to power &#111;nly, not undue speed). As the boat goes over the top of the wave, the throttle can be eased back, again to reduce flight of the boat from the back of the wave. As experience grows, develop the skill to turn the boat a slight 10 degrees (no more) to ride down the back of the wave, maintaining water around the prop and reducing a thumping fall from great heights. &#079;nce through this sec&#111;nd wave the going usually gets easier. The third wave should be met while it is full bodied and much easier to get over. The same principles apply with each successive wave, until clear from the bar altogether. &#079;nce sitting outside the bar, take a good look at what the boat has just come through. Study the marks which will be needed to get back in after the fishing trip. At this times switch off the bilge pump if all water is removed.</P><B><P>Inbound Crossing:</B><BR>&#079;n return take time to study the bar, looking essentially for the same points you needed &#111;n the outward trip. From behind the bar it will be extremely difficult to see what is actually going &#111;n. In some instances all that will be seen is a mass of rolling water with spray cascading back from it.</P><P>However by moving down the side of the bar a little it should be possible to get a fairly good idea of c&#111;nditi&#111;ns &#111;n the bar itself. Again, it is a good idea to count the wave sequence and picture the run in. Check equipment in the boat and ensure all is securely in place. If there's a full reserve fuel tank, switch to it to avoid running out while crossing the bar. D&#111;n't forget to throw the bilge pump into acti&#111;n. Pick the last wave before the lull and get in behind it and ride &#111;n its back through the bar. By sitting the boat &#111;n the back of the wave, there is no danger of a wave coming from behind and breaking over the stern of the boat. The skill in riding the back of a wave is easy to learn, however it is &#111;ne that does take learning, guts and c&#111;ntrol to go with it. The throttle has to be worked c&#111;nstantly to keep the boat at the right spot. Power will be required to fight the suck-back effect generated by the massing wave. The boat will then tend to want to race up the back of the wave and power must be quickly eased off. If curling waves are building up behind resist the urge to power ahead. The wave behind will not catch the &#111;ne your boat is &#111;n. Shooting over a developing wave is extremely dangerous. The bow will dig in as it reaches the bottom and the boat will be pushed forward by the wave, causing severe broaching and c&#111;ntrol will be lost. Chances of rolling in fr&#111;nt of the wave are very real, or the violent acti&#111;n of the broaching will fling equipment and people from the boat, like paper to the wind. The temptati&#111;n to ride over the chosen wave and catch up to the next will always be there. &#079;ne of the problems is that from the driver's positi&#111;n at the back of the wave it's not possible to gauge the reality of the steepness and height of the wave that is being ridden. Certainly many a boat has fallen for the old rush ahead trick. It is simply better to bide time and ride the back of the wave in. If this is d&#111;ne, entering a bar will be heaps more comfortable and safer than going out. That just about covers crossing a bar both ways in reas&#111;nably hairy c&#111;nditi&#111;ns. However, it is not always that simple. Our scenario didn't include pressure waves nor bottoming out. The motor kept running and the steering cable didn't break. But it has happened to others, including myself. I broke a steering cable whilst crossing the river bar at South West Rocks (South West Rocks has both a creek and river bar). At times this bar has str&#111;ng pressure waves. These waves can go undetected until they hit you and coming from the side they play havoc with boat c&#111;ntrol. The pressure required, &#111;n bad days, to keep the boat straight, can place great strain &#111;n both the driver and the steering cables. Thankfully &#111;n the day my steering gave way I had a crew aboard to help hold the motor straight enough and for l&#111;ng enough to pass the few remaining waves to clear the bar. In this instance we were lucky and I have since put power steering &#111;n my boat. If you cross bars often enough, so&#111;ner or later all the skills which can be mustered will be required as something is bound to happen.</P><B><P>Bottoming Out:</B><BR>Bars can be notoriously shallow in some areas. This can create hidden problems as well as the obvious. &#079;ne hidden problem is the sand which is swirling around in the shallow water. This sand can have a detrimental effect &#111;n the water cooling system of the motor. The impellor can be damaged if over time it is c&#111;ntinually asked to pump volumes of sand through the system. There is very little that can be d&#111;ne about this, except to be aware of the problem and avoid prol&#111;nged use of the motor in these c&#111;nditi&#111;ns. If a boat does become stranded &#111;n a bar in shallow water, the trick is to get those aboard, overboard as quickly as possible to hold the boat straight, facing into the &#111;n coming waves. This can be extremely difficult, however it must be d&#111;ne. If the boat is allowed to wash sideways, water will &#101;ventually get aboard, increasing the weight and making the job of getting it off the sandbar all the more difficult. &#079;nce the boat is stable, by lifting the motor and after having checked the prop c&#111;nditi&#111;n, wait for wash or a wave to help move the boat to deeper water. This task under some c&#111;nditi&#111;ns is not easy. However, with patience and care it must be d&#111;ne. Hopefully the boat can be led to the lee side of the bank where things should be quieter. When entering or leaving a bar with known shallow water, the motor should be trimmed up. Speed will generally &#111;nly cause more trouble in this situati&#111;n and could result in prop, or lower leg damage &#111;n the motor. The run in needs to coincide with the water movement over the bar. Quite often it may be necessary to sit &#111;n the sandbank waiting for a sec&#111;nd, or third rush of water to come under the boat to get through. Again this situati&#111;n is not good for the motor's water cooling system and extreme care should be taken. The crew should be at the ready to jump over the side and hold the boat straight. If it's necessary to take &#111;n a shallow bar it is better to do this when going out. In this instance the crew will not be tired and the boat will be facing into the &#111;ncoming sea. Time the return trip to coincide with high tide and life will be much easier and safer.</P><B><P>Night Crossing:</B><BR>Night crossing of any white water bar should be &#111;nly attempted by those fully c&#111;nversant with the bar in questi&#111;n or those with a heap of bar crossing experience. &#079;n this matter I can not stress enough the dangers which lie ahead for the inexperienced. Distance to, or from an &#111;bject at night can be deceiving. Believe me, it gets no better in the middle of a white water bar. To add to this dilemma, waves and rolling water have an extraordinary ability to look twice as large in the dark. Having g&#111;ne through the bar at the Rocks some 300 to 400 times at night, I can assure you it doesn't get much better as time goes &#111;n. &#079;nce ample daytime experience has been gained, pick a night with a good full mo&#111;n and plenty of reflective light to practice and gain c&#111;nfidence, but first check the bar. With night crossings carefully watch distances to &#111;ncoming waves.</P><P>As the boat moves into the trough between waves and the &#111;n-coming wave looms near, even with a full mo&#111;n, things can get frightfully dark. Quite often in these situati&#111;ns you are actually feeling your way through, rather than seeing your way through. It is for this reas&#111;n extra care should be taken and the slightest c&#111;ncerns regarding the bar's c&#111;nditi&#111;n should be heeded.</P><B><P>Mental Preparedness:</B><BR>Being mentally prepared, should the worst happen and the boat overturns, is vitally important. That goes for both the skipper and the crew. Hopefully all those &#111;n board will be wearing life jackets - they should be. &#079;nce in the water the decisi&#111;n will be whether to swim, or stay with the boat. Staying with the boat in bar c&#111;nditi&#111;ns can be extremely dangerous. After ensuring that all members of the crew are accounted for, a capsized boat will be violently pushed about by the waves and become a potential lethal weap&#111;n.</P><P>Usually there is precious little to hold &#111;nto and the risk of being knocked unc&#111;nscious, or tangled up in rope or other floating equipment is very real. If deciding to swim for it, take time to get your bearings and use the tide to get clear of the rough water. &#079;n a ebb tide, this may mean ending up well out to sea! Never the less it is better to have got clear of the str&#111;ng currents and turbulent water with some energy to spare, than to have fought the current and died from exhausti&#111;n. With a making tide when choosing an exit site, pick &#111;ne that is sandy rather than rocky wherever possible. Visibility is severely hampered &#111;nce in the water fighting waves and current. The study of the layout of the area before venturing to sea, with the thought of the worst in mind, is not a silly idea. Perpending can pay off with rewarding results.</P><B><P>Experience:</B><BR>To gain the experience required to take &#111;n breaking wave after breaking wave, you must first seek it. To do this it's necessary to get &#111;n the water and work up the scale by practising. Firstly get to know the boat. &#079;n the water with the boat loaded, within the space of a few days its handling characteristics will be discovered. Find a small full swell and run the boat at varying speeds, up down, across and with it. By doing this any broaching problems will be discovered.</P><P>You'll also learn when to apply the throttle, and when to back off. &#079;nce your c&#111;nfidence and local knowledge builds, look for a moderate to good day to practise bar crossing. This will require picking the best tide, probably the last of the making tide and the 20 minutes or so of slack water at the peak. lf c&#111;nditi&#111;ns allow, go in and out several times trying different approaches and speed. As this is d&#111;ne, note how the boat is handling and study the surrounding marks which may be needed &#111;n a future occasi&#111;n.</P><P>Above all, learn to live with the 'butterflies' in your stomach. This afterall is an important yardstick of impending danger.</P><B><P>C&#111;nclusi&#111;n:</B><BR>It is an extremely difficult job to explain everything &#111;n a subject like this in words al&#111;ne. You can read all the books in the world &#111;n how to drive a car, but it's not until you actually get behind the wheel and actually experience driving that you learn how to synchr&#111;nise the clutch, gear lever, accelerator and steering wheel together. It's much the same with driving a boat through a tricky bar. Timing and judgement is paramount. Al&#111;ng with this goes the "hands &#111;n" experience of applying the correct speed and power. If half way through a bar and panic sets in, an attempt to do a 180 degree turn and run back the way you came, could prove disastrous. &#079;nce the decisi&#111;n has been made to go and regardless of how frightening the view up fr&#111;nt, it is safer to keep the boat facing directly into the &#111;n-coming sea. Feeling nervous is healthy. &#079;nce that feeling is lost you're probably not a good pers&#111;n to be a crew member for. Flying boats through the air is part of bar crossing, however the better operator keeps this to a minimum and has better c&#111;ntrol of the boat. Practice makes for a better operator and sadly there are too few boaties going out there to practice this important boat handling skill. Life is precious and it's far better to have your mates sitting in the pub telling all how well you handled it, rather than dramatically talking of a near disaster.</P><P align=center><IMG height=40 alt="lighthouse.gif (6424 bytes)" src= "http://www.marinews.com/images/lighthouse"></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=46857">Tomsta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6969<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Nov 2004 at 9:39am<br /><br />Got to catch that Legend m&#111;nsta Gurnard before Smudge has a chance....... not to menti&#111;n Barries 20 pound Snap... ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=46857">Tomsta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6969<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Nov 2004 at 9:37am<br /><br />So the Maiden Voyage going to be out over the Manakau Bar Si.....?? Go &#111;n ya know ya want to....]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=52947">KingfishSi</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 6969<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Nov 2004 at 9:05am<br /><br /><font size="4"><b>Boaties warned of dangers of crossing bars </b></font><br><br>Source: <i>NZ City</i><br><br><font size="2"><b>Boaties &#111;n the often treacherous west coast of the North Island have been urged to learn and listen to any advice they can about crossing bars before heading out in their boats. </b></font><br><br>The advice comes after a tragic reminder of the speed of an outgoing tide which is thought to have carried a man out to sea in Manukau Harbour early &#111;n Saturday morning. <br><br>A Raglan Volunteer Coastguard “bar day” next weekend would show people the dangers of crossing a bar with practical and classroom less&#111;ns, said president Kevin Dreaver. <br><br>He said the Raglan coastguard had had very little trouble &#111;n the bar recently and he hoped that may be because of the educati&#111;n programme the coastguard ran. <br><br>However, he said it was hard to say who failed to attend courses when they desperately needed to because of their inexperience. <br><br>He said like any west coast bar, Raglan had a lot of water running out though the entrance &#111;n a falling tide. <br><br>He said most people showed comm&#111;n sense and would not cross the bar if they had doubts but often the problems were caused by people who had just bought boats and had little or no experience in bar crossing. <br>Advertisement<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Advertisement<br><br>He said many callouts were to kite surfers or windsurfers who had fallen off at the harbour entrance. <br><br>“They will just get taken out across the bar. Most of them are pretty good in the water but they can’t get back with their gear.” <br><br>He said it was very difficult to make headway against an outgoing rip. ]]>
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