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   <title><![CDATA[Belly Hook...Swivel or not? :     marx wrote:I can&amp;#039;t...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=76906">ReelAppealLures</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 65409<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Apr 2011 at 11:25pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by marx" alt="Originally posted by marx" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>marx wrote:</strong><br /><br />I can't see the through wire ripping through&nbsp; the wood on the split body method, that epoxy join would be stronger than the wood itself and the wire is smothered in epoxy.<br><br>That ball bearing magnet system would be mint if it was easy to implement, but mate that must take some work!!! How would you stop the glue getting into the ball bearing compartment when gluing?<br><br>I definitely prefer the action of lures where the centre of gravity is a bit closer to the centre than most purely tail weighted lures. Gives that tail a really nice erratic wag........ but then you loose out on casting distance. That ball bearing magnet system would give you the best of both.<br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>You know how much work is involved in even the most simplest of lures. So carving these out takes a lot of time and&nbsp;patience...Remove some wood, check clearance and repeat...</div><div><br></div><div>As for stopping the glue etc. What you see is a very basic prototype, there is a lot more to it but if you want to know more or try one flick me a PM...Can't give everything away now can I&nbsp;<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></div><div><br></div><div>As for more centred lures, they have a different swimming quality altogether...Some require no rod work just a steady retrieve...Horses for courses I suppose&nbsp;<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Belly Hook...Swivel or not? :     jaypeegee wrote:Interesting..  Without...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=76906">ReelAppealLures</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 65409<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Apr 2011 at 11:15pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by jaypeegee" alt="Originally posted by jaypeegee" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>jaypeegee wrote:</strong><br /><br />Interesting..<div>&nbsp;</div><div>Without the magnet, Would you get a combination Rattle and ballast shift to enhance the action or does it just tail/nosedive and ruin it?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>They don't really rattle as the wood body deadens the noise...You hear a dull "thwack" when casting as the BB's hit the tail end tho&nbsp;<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 23:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Belly Hook...Swivel or not? : I can&amp;#039;t see the through wire...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=70470">marx</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 65409<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 Apr 2011 at 8:34pm<br /><br />I can't see the through wire ripping through&nbsp; the wood on the split body method, that epoxy join would be stronger than the wood itself and the wire is smothered in epoxy.<br><br>That ball bearing magnet system would be mint if it was easy to implement, but mate that must take some work!!! How would you stop the glue getting into the ball bearing compartment when gluing?<br><br>I definitely prefer the action of lures where the centre of gravity is a bit closer to the centre than most purely tail weighted lures. Gives that tail a really nice erratic wag........ but then you loose out on casting distance. That ball bearing magnet system would give you the best of both.<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Belly Hook...Swivel or not? :      Capt Asparagus wrote:Would...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=76906">ReelAppealLures</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 65409<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Apr 2011 at 1:01pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Capt Asparagus" alt="Originally posted by Capt Asparagus" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Capt Asparagus wrote:</strong><br /><br />Would you be able to use a ball bearing swivel (they are not that dear, only about $1ea I think), if the "meat" of the swivel, the outer casing part, were to fit snuggly inside the lure, with just the spinning tip protruding below to attach the hook too, that may be one way of sealing the body of the lure. Even better, you can remove the ring at the top of the ball bearing swivel, and just run the wire directly thru the hole at the top of the swivels casing.</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Not silly thinking CA, there are a few lures on the market that are built as you are explaining...Mostly using crane swivels instead of the BB swivel probably cost factor.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Belly Hook...Swivel or not? : Interesting..  Without the magnet,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=77001">jaypeegee</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 65409<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Apr 2011 at 11:22am<br /><br />Interesting..<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Without the magnet, Would you get a combination Rattle and ballast shift to enhance the action or does it just tail/nosedive and ruin it?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Belly Hook...Swivel or not? : Would you be able to use a ball...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=54324">Capt Asparagus</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 65409<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Apr 2011 at 11:01am<br /><br />Would you be able to use a ball bearing swivel (they are not that dear, only about $1ea I think), if the "meat" of the swivel, the outer casing part, were to fit snuggly inside the lure, with just the spinning tip protruding below to attach the hook too, that may be one way of sealing the body of the lure. Even better, you can remove the ring at the top of the ball bearing swivel, and just run the wire directly thru the hole at the top of the swivels casing.]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Belly Hook...Swivel or not? :     ChrisW wrote:Nice job RAL....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=76906">ReelAppealLures</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 65409<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Apr 2011 at 9:43am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by ChrisW" alt="Originally posted by ChrisW" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>ChrisW wrote:</strong><br /><br />Nice job RAL.&nbsp; If you snagged a rock or hooked up big on the tail hook; what might the possibilty be for the&nbsp;wire wanting to straighten under pressure and ripping up the body?<div>I love the magnetic BB idea.&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Chris, you would be relying on the wire to not deform...The wire used is 1.6mm and &nbsp;500# +++ B/S mark... I would suggest you would have a terminal failure e.g. Hook / Split ring or even have to cut/break the main line before the wire deformed.&nbsp;It will take around 66# of point load on a STN66- 3/0 to deform...( Not scientific guys )&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I had sent some lures with Ben. P on his trip to AU... There was a popper in the kit that only had a simple bent tow point eye like the lure above (no whipping) and it had no problems on a 40kg GT with some palming on the Stella...I now wrap and lock my eyes on the poppers as extra security..</div><div><br></div><div>Like so... Each is done by myself so I have total control over quality.</div><div><img src="http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss87/SamMary1/P4261539.jpg" border="0" /></div><div><br></div><div>A destruction test would be the best way... I need to find some scales large enough and then I can see at what point the wire will 1. Deform 2. Any damage to the body etc...The hardest thing to simulate is awkwardly hooked fish..<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" />&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Belly Hook...Swivel or not? : Nice job RAL. If you snagged a...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=48071">ChrisW</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 65409<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Apr 2011 at 9:47pm<br /><br />Nice job RAL.&nbsp; If you snagged a rock or hooked up big on the tail hook; what might the possibilty be for the&nbsp;wire wanting to straighten under pressure and ripping up the body?<DIV>I love the magnetic BB idea.&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Belly Hook...Swivel or not? :     stellajigger wrote:Just...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=76906">ReelAppealLures</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 65409<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Apr 2011 at 7:40pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by stellajigger" alt="Originally posted by stellajigger" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>stellajigger wrote:</strong><br /><br />Just think the timber will rip apart if it does not have a swivel</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cool Stella, I was thinking that is your reasoning...</div><div><br></div><div>Quite a few lures that look molded are split body timber lures. Great way of keeping a lure water tight, and you still get the strength of a wire harness through the lure. The lure below was for testing so the wire tags are simply whipped, but in production they are locked each end with a wrap.</div><div><br></div><div><img src="http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss87/SamMary1/360Bait.jpg" border="0" /></div><div><br></div><div>This is a lure that was on the bench for a while not to long ago, I was aiming for a great swimming lure + casts like a bullet...Hence the ball bearings and magnet...The casting force breaks the balls free of the magnet and they head down to the tail, once in the drink they roll forward and are held by the magnet changing the ballast and helping achieve the desired swim action...You can see the wire is bent to form the belly hook hanger, once glued up and finished/epoxied it is peretty hard to tell what material is used.</div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Belly Hook...Swivel or not? :     falco wrote:I&amp;#039;m not...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=76906">ReelAppealLures</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 65409<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Apr 2011 at 7:29pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by falco" alt="Originally posted by falco" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>falco wrote:</strong><br /><br /><b><font ="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">I'm not sure it really matters when it comes to performance.</font></b><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I would say the moulded ones are cheaper to produce because its pour and there is no rigging time and thats is why?</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>That was main concern Andrew...I like having a swivel in place, will up-size to 300-400# swivels to reduce chances of failure...Next stop tuna swivels&nbsp;<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" alt="Shocked" title="Shocked" /></div><div><br></div>]]>
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