The Fishing Website : Discussion Forums : Ethanol blended fuel https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/ Mon, 08 Jun 2026 16:04:57 +0000 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:55:34 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.01 360 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=52373 <![CDATA[The Fishing Website : Discussion Forums]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[Ethanol blended fuel : Yep, same deal here. I&#039;ve...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825920&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825920 Author: Busted!
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Posted: 23 Sep 2010 at 8:55am

Yep, same deal here.  I've had the boat out of it's berth once in the last month - either diving onshore, working on boats or at mobil or it's crap.  I just about through the book at the weather girl last night - over this totally!]]> Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:55:34 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825920&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825920 <![CDATA[Ethanol blended fuel : Yip I think we&#039;ve met a few...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825881&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825881 Author: Haydan
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Posted: 23 Sep 2010 at 7:20am

Yip I think we've met a few times at Mobil and Shell. No stuck inside with all the weather and have had bugger all work in the last month (have had work on every good day and none on the bad days - murpheys law) so I'm itching to get out there.]]> Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:20:54 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825881&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825881 <![CDATA[Ethanol blended fuel : Ha, I think I just placed your...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825801&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825801 Author: Busted!
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Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 9:31pm

Ha, I think I just placed your name to your face there Hayden.  

I know where you are coming from now, my background is in the chemical side more so than the product but I've been doing maintenance etc in the Mt terminals for three or so years now.  The bio thing is pretty much dead until the recession turns around, Wellington is drying ethanol blends off as I understand it as there just isn't the benefit in it at this price point.  Gull has the local ethanol market sown up so it's their turf at the mo.
 
Biodiesel is an issue as well, it's damn expensive to process commercial quantities chemially to bust the long chain fatty acids back to soaps and stable oils and no one has a vacuum distallation plant in NZ yet.  Without that the product turns to lard at anything under around 16degC.  Not ideal.
 
As far as Gull, at least they don't have a goat on their terminal so that's a big one-up in my book...
 
Been out fishing lately?
 
]]> Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:31:51 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825801&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825801 <![CDATA[Ethanol blended fuel : I work in the industry. Your...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825770&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825770 Author: Haydan
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Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 8:42pm

I work in the industry.

Your partly right, if you buy from any of the big four your buying the same stuff only with different additives (this is true for 91, 95 and AGO - whats called industry cargo - not Jet, 98, Ethanol, BioDiesel or Avgas etc).
 
Gull currently sources its fuel through one of the big 4, although this is not always the case (they used to bring their own ships in but this is a bloody expencive thing to do when a ship cost over 50k a day to charter. Gull are not restrained by "industry spec" and have much more flexibility on how they can treat their fuel.
 
Biodiesel is still very much in the pipeworks and indusrty, in and out of NZ, continue to invest significant R&D on it. The major draw back at this stage for NZ is sourcing large quanities of it from acceptable sources and of acceptable quality to safely include in bulk fuels.
]]> Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:42:21 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825770&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825770 <![CDATA[Ethanol blended fuel : I was reading about problems with...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825752&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825752 Author: plastic
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Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 8:27pm

I was reading about problems with Optimax outboards in the States with the blended fuel and Mercury were a bit perplexed as the outboards were made to handle 10 % but were still getting problems. They then did there own testing of the fuel and found that the percentage was all over the place with the highest at 50% blend. ]]> Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:27:42 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825752&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825752 <![CDATA[Ethanol blended fuel : Very good question. I think...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825729&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825729 Author: Busted!
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Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 7:59pm

Very good question.
 
I think that is one reason why diesel is becomming a lot more prevalent with smaller inboards becoming more common in the 7m+ sizes.  I know a lot of the marine fuel berths have been pulled out due to liabilites and high maintenance costs as well as the risks of sabotage vs international image (think bp-broken pipe!).
 
I do know that there will not be much more of a take up of ethanol as the dairy industry output is now entirely consumed by chemical resellers and Gull.  It's too expensive to import ethanol for biofuel and there are environmental greenie type implications. 
 
There is an across-the-board issue with oils and fuels and qualities, and the things like oil mono-grades getting less than common in favour of crap spec multigrade.
 
I'm about say 800m down the road from you Russell, on the other side of the Fire Station, should catch up some time...
]]> Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:59:39 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825729&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825729 <![CDATA[Ethanol blended fuel : There is a new revolutionary product...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825725&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825725 Author: RC1
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Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 7:55pm

There is a new revolutionary product out that will cure all ethanol problems with fuel systems, details to follow next week. Watch this space.]]> Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:55:53 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825725&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825725 <![CDATA[Ethanol blended fuel : bluesignature wrote:whats going...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825704&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825704 Author: RC1
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Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 7:30pm

Originally posted by bluesignature bluesignature wrote:

whats going to happen in the future will all fuel have ethanol added will have to buy fuel specially for marine use is there something we can do or add to this fuel to make it more safe to use in boats i know the fuel in this country has allready caused a few problems
   
]]> Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:30:24 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825704&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825704 <![CDATA[Ethanol blended fuel : Haydan wrote:I&#039;d like...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825660&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825660 Author: Busted!
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Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 6:20pm

Originally posted by Haydan Haydan wrote:

I'd like to know where you heard BP was putting ethanol into its fuel, I'll look into it but I highly doubt its right. It might be hard to beleave but BP is in my opinion the better of the big 4 in NZ (well big 3 now I guess although Greenstone is still pretty much Shell). If its not the case it might be a case of a shady service station doing it in which case BP might very much like to know about it. 
 
I wouldn't recomend plain Gull 91 fuel for a boat either unless you are going to be using it in short order, definitly stay away from Gull Regular Plus and Gull Force 10. I am not sure that their plain 91 is any worse or better than the others I just know its composition is slightly different to the others and that difference will certainly effect its storability. Have always wanted to get some of it tested that has been sitting in a boats toat tank for a month or so but never wanted to take the risk of having it in my toats.
 
On the Biodiesel (BD) front - Oil companies are starting to look into blending in BD into their fuels. They can legally put up to 5% BD into AGO without telling you (not sure about ethanol) however at this stage this is not occuring, BD is being used by some bus companies etc. but it is not in your service station tanks (outside of a few test stations I beleive in wellington that are sign posted as such.)
 
 
Dude, where do you get this BS?  I contract to a coastal bulk terminal on the odd day and I can tell you that ALL of the fuel in this country is identical with the exception of individual company 'fuel additives' - most of which are shockingly toxic and are sourced through a German outfit.  If Gull 91 is a different composition to the other fuel, it's because they run it through different coloured hose.  And you can quote that...
 
There are only a couple of user companies still using biofuel - no one has an operating vacuum distallation unit to my knowledge to process the cow fat and the recession killed those plans.  Only Gull is still doing any great numbers of throughput in ethanol blends, and as long as you renew the rubber components in the system as they die the first time around and keep the fuel out of water moisture it is perfectly fine.  The water issue is the biggie for boats obviously, the alcohol blends with water more readily than petrol.
 
]]> Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:20:02 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825660&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825660 <![CDATA[Ethanol blended fuel : whats going to happen in the future...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825628&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825628 Author: bluesignature
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Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 5:23pm

whats going to happen in the future will all fuel have ethanol added will have to buy fuel specially for marine use is there something we can do or add to this fuel to make it more safe to use in boats i know the fuel in this country has allready caused a few problems]]> Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:23:09 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52373&PID=825628&title=ethanol-blended-fuel#825628