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The Fishing Website : Discussion Forums : Clark's Mini-Hopper https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/ Fri, 19 Jun 2026 09:19:34 +0000 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:56:20 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.01 360 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=45227 <![CDATA[The Fishing Website : Discussion Forums]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[Clark's Mini-Hopper : Clark Reid wrote: It's...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641779&title=clarks-minihopper#641779 Author: Onecast
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Posted: 21 Sep 2009 at 11:56am

Clark Reid wrote:

It's really irrelevant which hoppers have wings or not as New Zealand trout are almost never selective and certainly not on hoppers... it's unlikely the trout have read the books to know which hoppers have wings and those that don't and I'm fairly certain they only sex insects by close inspection of their genitals....

. The aim, of the flytier in most cases for NZ fish is to imitate food. The need to "Match the Hatch" while it does occur in Southland and the Wairarapa on Mayflies is virtually non-existent and one of the biggest perpetrated on New Zealand anglers. We just rarely have the circumstances here which create that feeding/survival style. However, having been caught a couple of times, late season fish can be incredibly wary... this is often mistaken for selectivity.

Well Said. I tend to agree with Clark on this aspect. "Me see um Me eat um" seems to be the reasoning of a lot of our trout in rivers and streams with the exceptions as pointed out by Clark. Have Fun. Jax

]]> Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:56:20 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641779&title=clarks-minihopper#641779 <![CDATA[Clark's Mini-Hopper : Good answers all round... especially...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641730&title=clarks-minihopper#641730 Author: Pole Dancer
Subject: 45227
Posted: 21 Sep 2009 at 9:53am

Good answers all round... especially Jax's! I like flies that are outside the norm but there's no need to make anything extra difficult for the hell of it... this stuff is meant to be fun

The fly can sink bum first, but I usually dress these with a desiccant like dry shake which means it rides as it shows here... right up on all three points.. the unique impression this makes in the surface film is, I believe, the primary trigger.

Jack, you're spot on about the wings. The wings are there (Weren't on the original pattern) to add some movement to the fly as it drifts. As I believe the impression of life to be a major trigger to heavily fished wary fish I do think this has improved the fly markedly.

Nick, I do believe, once in sight the legs do exactly as you suggest and add a great big chunk of protein to an otherwise small profile fly. (Relatively).

The main benefit of the pattern is this... It is fished late season when a huge range of terrestrial insects are available to trout and they have been feeding on a wide variety of them for some time. There is no need for direct imitation of anything but the impression of something familiar along those lines is effective. However, recent years have also seen a huge rise in the popularity of large terrestrials including Turk's Tarantula's, Water Spiders, GFF's, Chernobyl's, etc... Many trout become fairly wary of over sized terrestrials while still on the look out for a good mouthful if they can get it. This fly is designed to fit the niche between the standard imitative and attractor dries like Hunmpy's, Adams etc and large Hoppers and Cicada's...

It has accounted for many fish for me and clients in circumstances where, due to fihsing pressure, the fish were extremely wary..

]]> Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:53:36 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641730&title=clarks-minihopper#641730 <![CDATA[Clark's Mini-Hopper : Nick F wrote:Sure. The CDC...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641680&title=clarks-minihopper#641680 Author: TheBadger
Subject: 45227
Posted: 21 Sep 2009 at 7:58am

Nick F wrote:

Sure. The CDC is a perfect imitation of drowned wings,plus it will impart a realistic movement. I'm picking the fly will ridewith the bum sunk 90% of the time, so to a trout those legs are goingto look like KFC looks to a hungry league player.

What he said Tongue

Ok I'll have a stab in the dark. I'd say the legs are the main trigger,especially as with the material they're tied in they'd presumably breakthrough the surface film. Then the tapered abdomen would presumablysink through the surface film too. CDC is the wings, and would impart abit of movement and trap air, imitating the wings. Though I've actuallyjust checked on the net and NZ grasshoppers have very small wings (themales) and the females don't have wings at all, so I think the majorrole the CDC would play would be holding the fly up in the right partof the water and making sure it rides right, so the abdomen and legs sink just through the surfacefilm. Then the hackle would imitate the round thorax.

So triggers... First up would be the legs. Then the sunken abdomen. TheCDC wings would trap air, provide movement and in the cases of malesimitate wings. Then the Hackle would imitate the thorax.

Something like that? What'd I miss?]]> Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:58:10 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641680&title=clarks-minihopper#641680 <![CDATA[Clark's Mini-Hopper : Nick F wrote:Sure. The CDC...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641679&title=clarks-minihopper#641679 Author: TheBadger
Subject: 45227
Posted: 21 Sep 2009 at 7:54am

Nick F wrote:

Sure. The CDC is a perfect imitation of drowned wings, plus it will impart a realistic movement. I'm picking the fly will ride with the bum sunk 90% of the time, so to a trout those legs are going to look like KFC looks to a hungry league player.

What he said Tongue

Ok I'll have a stab in the dark. I'd say the legs are the main trigger, especially as with the material they're tied in they'd presumably break through the surface film. Then the tapered abdomen would presumably sink through the surface film too. CDC is the wings, and would impart a bit of movement and trap air, imitating the wings. Though I've actually just checked on the net and NZ grasshoppers have very small wings (the males) and the females don't have wing at all, so I think the major role the CDC would play would be holding the fly up in the right part of the water, so the abdomen and legs sink just through the surface film. Then the hackle would imitate the round thorax.

So triggers... First up would be the legs. Then the sunken abdomen. The CDC wings would trap air, provide movement and in the cases of males imitate wings. Then the Hackle would imitate the thorax.

Something like that? What'd I miss?
]]> Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:54:45 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641679&title=clarks-minihopper#641679 <![CDATA[Clark's Mini-Hopper : Clark; The "Simple"...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641674&title=clarks-minihopper#641674 Author: Onecast
Subject: 45227
Posted: 21 Sep 2009 at 7:36am

Clark; The "Simple" Reference refers to the fact That I feel I will be able to tie the fly.

Jack]]> Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:36:40 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641674&title=clarks-minihopper#641674 <![CDATA[Clark's Mini-Hopper : Sure. The CDC is a perfect imitation...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641670&title=clarks-minihopper#641670 Author: Snuffit.
Subject: 45227
Posted: 21 Sep 2009 at 7:32am

Sure. The CDC is a perfect imitation of drowned wings, plus it will impart a realistic movement. I'm picking the fly will ride with the bum sunk 90% of the time, so to a trout those legs are going to look like KFC looks to a hungry league player. ]]> Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:32:23 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641670&title=clarks-minihopper#641670 <![CDATA[Clark's Mini-Hopper : No, butthe legs are part of a...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641610&title=clarks-minihopper#641610 Author: Pole Dancer
Subject: 45227
Posted: 20 Sep 2009 at 9:59pm

No, but the legs are part of a major trigger... it might be more interesting to see if you can identify any others before I tell you what they are????

And it wouldn't worry me if you were having a go Jack, feel free

.]]> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:59:39 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641610&title=clarks-minihopper#641610 <![CDATA[Clark's Mini-Hopper : So why do you think this pattern...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641513&title=clarks-minihopper#641513 Author: TheBadger
Subject: 45227
Posted: 20 Sep 2009 at 7:16pm

So why do you think this pattern works so well? Presumably the legs are a major trigger? Just wondering why it is so effective as opposed to more exact match-the-natural patterns. Do you think simply because it is something different.

Not having a go at your fly mate, it looks mint. Just trying to learn why it is so effective.
]]> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:16:26 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641513&title=clarks-minihopper#641513 <![CDATA[Clark's Mini-Hopper : Well I like the fancy ones too......]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641363&title=clarks-minihopper#641363 Author: Pole Dancer
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Posted: 20 Sep 2009 at 12:38pm

Well I like the fancy ones too... so long as they have simple triggers

]]> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:38:28 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641363&title=clarks-minihopper#641363 <![CDATA[Clark's Mini-Hopper : Thanks Clark. Funny how the simple...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641335&title=clarks-minihopper#641335 Author: Onecast
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Posted: 20 Sep 2009 at 11:01am

Thanks Clark. Funny how the simple patterns seem to be good fish fetchers. Jax]]> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:01:04 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45227&PID=641335&title=clarks-minihopper#641335