The Fishing Website : Discussion Forums : Catch and Release

The Fishing Website : Discussion Forums : Catch and Release https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/ Tue, 09 Jun 2026 22:03:05 +0000 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:59:04 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.01 360 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=37263 <![CDATA[The Fishing Website : Discussion Forums]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[Catch and Release : Some interesting discussion here...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=560674&title=catch-and-release#560674 Author: Te Awa Kairangi Angler
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Posted: 08 Apr 2009 at 9:59pm

Some interesting discussion here but check out what is coming up.

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This will be a small, friendly group of beginners through to experts (A. Trout will not be attending!), with the emphasis on catching fish locally. As yet, it’s not on their web site. The Enrolment Form is in the latest Hutt News.

]]> Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:59:04 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=560674&title=catch-and-release#560674 <![CDATA[Catch and Release : Well it is your right to not agree...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538194&title=catch-and-release#538194 Author: Pole Dancer
Subject: 37263
Posted: 21 Feb 2009 at 8:00pm

Well it is your right to not agree with facts, and I didn't say fish don;t feel pain... so please just keep to what i said. I also said that the presence of our cerebral cortex is what causes us to minimise harm to the fish, something they do not possess and so do not extend to their prey.

I said they do not experience trauma in the way we do... and that is a fact!

It's not about being "brighter" (What a human reaction

) it's about bveing developed differently.

While I believe we are devolped differently I absolutely do not think we are a "brighter" or higher species. Just different or maybe even just more ***** up!

But lets not make this what it isn't. Fish are just developed enough in the areas of comprehension etc to experience pain or suffering on the same level as humans... and that is just a simple old fact!

]]> Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:00:40 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538194&title=catch-and-release#538194 <![CDATA[Catch and Release : re: As fish have...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538178&title=catch-and-release#538178 Author: Moggy
Subject: 37263
Posted: 21 Feb 2009 at 6:59pm

re:

As fish have no cerebral cortex comparing their suffering to human suffering is verging on ludicrous in any circumstance.

Sure, because we have a cerebral cortex we are moved to act in as humane a fashion as possible but they are far to simple creatures to be "traumatized as we would think in a human sense. (Thanks Ian for the lesson on that one previously...

Clark I just don’t agree with this - just because fish are not equipped like us doesn’t mean that they cannot feel pain - hells teeth, that’s a weak argument if ever I saw one.

If we are the brighter species (and I'm none too sure about that) then it certainly up to us to minimize any suffering from life forms lower than us (well maybe lower than us but reading some of the posts I do have cause to wonder!)

come on people just because the cannot yell as loud as your misses when you buy new gear and she finds out doesn’t mean we cannot try to minimize all harm.

Thanks Stu for posting on the salt side!

]]> Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:59:15 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538178&title=catch-and-release#538178 <![CDATA[Catch and Release : 6. DAILY LIMIT BAGS6.1 No licence...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538176&title=catch-and-release#538176 Author: Snap T
Subject: 37263
Posted: 21 Feb 2009 at 6:56pm

6. DAILY LIMIT BAGS
6.1 No licence holder shall continue to fish for a particular species of
sports fish on any day in which he or she has already killed the
limit bag for that species.

-Regulations taken from Fish and Game website.

Note the regs just states "killed" doesn't mean you have to have the fish in a bag on the bank to have fished your quota.

Face it, no matter how hard we try to release fish correctly there will be the odd botch up.
For example the fish that is beat but downstream in current and due to inconvieniently placed blackberry scrub you can't get a net there, and by the time he's finally in he is completely exhausted.

Who has honestly never released a fish and thought "hhmmmmm he might not make it".

In waters with say a limit of 2, an honest C&R angler should definately stop fishing after 2 botch ups. If all other releases go correctly and you have done the best possible for the fishes health recovery fish on good sir!

]]> Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:56:52 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538176&title=catch-and-release#538176 <![CDATA[Catch and Release : Fair enough, I've changed...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538156&title=catch-and-release#538156 Author: Fishsnatcher
Subject: 37263
Posted: 21 Feb 2009 at 5:38pm

Fair enough, I've changed my opinoin after reading your post steve838, but I do believe there should be a limit to catch and release, though I'm not about to make another constroversial statement about what the number should be.....

]]> Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:38:15 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538156&title=catch-and-release#538156 <![CDATA[Catch and Release : I believe that the catch limit...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538150&title=catch-and-release#538150 Author: SINNER
Subject: 37263
Posted: 21 Feb 2009 at 5:21pm

[QUOTE=Fishsnatcher] I believe that the catch limit should include released fish, though that would mostly rely on anglers honesty, unless we have a a ranger looking over the shoulder of every fisherman in NZ.

I dont think you would get to many fishermen that would agree with you on this FS.

Some of us travel hundreds of k's to fish. Let's say I travel from Wellington to Turangi to fish the Tongariro,TT or Hine for 3 or 4 days which I do every few weeks. To fish till I have caught 3 fish which by the way I always release dosen't take long at all. My friends and I normally start in a rip some where at 5am then move into the rivers then finish off again in the rips till 12. This would actually make me give up fishing all together under your system. There fore the money I spend on a license, tackle, fuel, accomodation etc would be lost to another sport that I could enjoy for a longer amount of time per dollar spent. Which if most other fishermen had the same opinion as myself would in turn ruin the Turangi economy, the tackle industry and DOC as they wouldn't have any money to look after the fishery thru lack of license sales.

Each to their own I guess

]]> Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:21:50 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538150&title=catch-and-release#538150 <![CDATA[Catch and Release : As fish have no cerebral cortex...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538133&title=catch-and-release#538133 Author: Pole Dancer
Subject: 37263
Posted: 21 Feb 2009 at 4:32pm

As fish have no cerebral cortex comparing their suffering to human suffering is verging on ludicrous in any circumstance.

As for limits, I think anglers should be their own judge. With C&R there is a small mortality and how much is enough should be self governing. There's not much point instituting UN policable laws.

As for opening this up to the Salties as well... I reckon not... This forum has suffered enough disruption over the past year without deliberately unleashing that on it

]]> Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:32:18 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538133&title=catch-and-release#538133 <![CDATA[Catch and Release : I believe that the catch limit...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538125&title=catch-and-release#538125 Author: Fishsnatcher
Subject: 37263
Posted: 21 Feb 2009 at 3:58pm

I believe that the catch limit should include released fish, though that would mostly rely on anglers honesty.

Unless we have a a ranger looking over the shoulder of every fisherman in NZ.

Which for obvious reasons isn't viable.

]]> Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:58:27 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538125&title=catch-and-release#538125 <![CDATA[Catch and Release : Whilst not a fresh water fisher...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538121&title=catch-and-release#538121 Author: Moggy
Subject: 37263
Posted: 21 Feb 2009 at 3:44pm

Whilst not a fresh water fisher this thread needs posting to the saltwater area as well.

This problem is not just freshwater but probably more salt water issue.

I would have to say that over the years I have been fishing the care and attention to fish welfare has been almost non-existent. I'm no greeny but think so of our fishing breathen actually need a wakeup call on their lack of handling care.

After all we need to ensure that the resource lasts for our children’s children not just us.

Stu - let’s see you start this post on saltwater forums – much overdue.

Now that WILL get some interesting responses.

]]> Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:44:06 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538121&title=catch-and-release#538121 <![CDATA[Catch and Release : With bag limits, we know how many...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37263&PID=538117&title=catch-and-release#538117 Author: Te Awa Kairangi Angler
Subject: 37263
Posted: 21 Feb 2009 at 3:31pm

With bag limits, we know how many fish can be killed.

Using Catch and Release, there are no limits.

How many is enough?

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