The Fishing Website : Discussion Forums : Black Phantom https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/ Wed, 10 Jun 2026 10:23:38 +0000 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:11:53 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.01 360 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=32056 <![CDATA[The Fishing Website : Discussion Forums]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[Black Phantom : People score things all sorts...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32056&PID=465514&title=black-phantom#465514 Author: Pole Dancer
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Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 10:11pm

People score things all sorts of ways Peter, especially in regards the history of flies. It's not really up for question no matter what spin someone puts on it later... There were not many shops in Rotorua in the 70's that i didn't tie for as a school boy (if any) and I tied thousands of the Black Phantom in both configerations. Pat hadn't even opened his shop then... Mind you by that I mean no disrespect to Pat, a great guy and very knowledgable angler/ tier. And someone with whom I have shared a mutal respect for many years. The Black Pete, it's recipe and origin is very well known among tiers of that era. Itis origins and first fishng expidtion was a story well told in several publications of the time and at least one book (An NZFFA Anthology for one). Morty opwned "Fly by Night" commercial flytying at the time and sold the fly in it's thousands in both the North and the South but it was primarily considered a South Island fly I assume mainly because that's where John's marketing was strongest.
 
 
]]> Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:11:53 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32056&PID=465514&title=black-phantom#465514 <![CDATA[Black Phantom : i&#039;ll score that 1 nil to...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32056&PID=465502&title=black-phantom#465502 Author: roddholder
Subject: 32056
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 9:43pm

i'll score that 1 nil to mr okeef'e. lol]]> Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:43:08 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32056&PID=465502&title=black-phantom#465502 <![CDATA[Black Phantom : The Black Pete is a John Morton...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32056&PID=465276&title=black-phantom#465276 Author: Pole Dancer
Subject: 32056
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 3:09pm

The Black Pete is a John Morton pattern (Christchurch) and was very popular around the High Country lakes (especially coleridge) and you are correct that it would be a Black Pete if tied with peacock breast feathers. As it is, tied in the Killer fasion above it is still a black phantom and in the 70's most Rotorua stores offered them in both nighttime and killer configurations.
 
The parson's with different coloured bodies your friend could have tied quite happilly and stayed with tradition as Allan Parsons himself varied the body coloour on his most famous fly from the get go.
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Subject: 32056
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 1:36pm

Nope, stuck in office, fingers crossed will be chasing albies on fly this weekend. You?]]> Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:36:44 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32056&PID=465243&title=black-phantom#465243 <![CDATA[Black Phantom : Getting out for an opening day...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32056&PID=465231&title=black-phantom#465231 Author: doctor fish
Subject: 32056
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 1:21pm

Getting out for an opening day fish Nick?]]> Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:21:48 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32056&PID=465231&title=black-phantom#465231 <![CDATA[Black Phantom : i call the top fly &#034;the black...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32056&PID=465211&title=black-phantom#465211 Author: roddholder
Subject: 32056
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 12:47pm

i call the top fly "the black pete".. not named by me but one patrick okeef'e. we played around with this about 1995 i think. also works well with a blue feather from a peacock.
the black phantom was originated by oscar lord of lords sports store, famous for his lords killer.
he and his brother frank ran a sports store in hinemoa street, rotorua, when we moved here in 1959. bloody good blokes, and very good fishermen.
frank was a top surfcaster and held world distance records.
oscar was the trout fisherman and had a mrs geary tie his flys for the shop. she was the best i have ever seen.
 he sold me my first ever rod, a spit cane 3 piece fly rod.
 he incouraged me to tie flys and we became great mates.
i had mrs geary tie some coloured boddied parsons glorys for me, green, red, orange and black. she refused to do them for a start. in her mind they were not traditional. that soon changed when i started bringing her some big smoked fish.
 when i became an electrical apprentice, his wife worked in the shop selling light fittings.
the black phantom was one of the shops biggest sellers and was the first choice at the rotorua stream mouths along with the craigs night-time. especially waititi for some reason.
i still catch many of my fish on these traditional paterns, and as trout have become more resistant to the glow in the dark flys, they will again become popular.

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Subject: 32056
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 7:25am

Road kill - you sinner!!! Yes I actually hit one or two now and again.
 
 
 
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Subject: 32056
Posted: 29 Sep 2008 at 8:07pm

Nice flies Nick!  Road kill or did you manage to shoot that one?]]> Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:07:31 +0000 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32056&PID=464980&title=black-phantom#464980 <![CDATA[Black Phantom : Hi Nick; Very Nice Fly.I remember...]]> https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32056&PID=454796&title=black-phantom#454796 Author: Onecast
Subject: 32056
Posted: 06 Sep 2008 at 10:20am

Hi Nick; Very Nice Fly.I remember the Black Phantom well. and fished it on many occasions. I tied it with Near Black Pukeko feathersfrom Old Birds. Still get excited if a shooter buddy brings me an OLD Bird. I find the Feathers have a lot more body than the usual young birds. Just a silly fad, but it makes me think ny fly will be " just right "
 
It was a grand fish fetcher and often produced a nice fish or two from the Old Red Hut Pool for me when fished on the swing and a very slow reteieve back along the bank. During The Day while passing time in those no action periods of Tall story telling. Smile
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Subject: 32056
Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 9:23pm

They are good ties Nick....
 
The Orange Witch is the right name but it's not well known... tied from the flank feathers of the Chukor from memory..... Your pattern looks right on the money.
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