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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=48153">SaltyC</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 137324<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Dec 2022 at 9:57am<br /><br />Comments earlier re Bertrams apply.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Deep dive on mechanicals and legs required, older motors with low hours doesn't necessarily mean good condition if they have sat unused for a long time.</div><div><br></div><div>Don't know if I could live with that upholstery tho&nbsp;<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" alt="Shocked" title="Shocked" /></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=102818">Justlookingdear</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 137324<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Dec 2022 at 10:58pm<br /><br />  <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SaltyC" alt="Originally posted by SaltyC" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SaltyC wrote:</strong><br /><br />Ok, just my thoughts........<div><br /></div>&lt;p ="msonormal"=""&gt;Pelin – generally good sea boats, tend to push a bit of<br />water around but both Columbia and Challenger hulls have decent flair so most<br />water is sprayed out away from the boat. Quality second hand depends on the<br />build/builder  and a lot were a bit underpowered so the engines can<br />be a bit tired. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;</p><br /><br />&lt;p ="msonormal"=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;</p><br /><br />&lt;p ="msonormal"=""&gt;Markline – 900 a bit small by the sounds of your needs, 1100<br />could meet your needs, quite a forgiving hull carry their beam well forward so<br />need horsepower to push them along. Can be a bit wet and throw water over even<br />the flybridge, hardtop would be good. Good cockpit to accommodation ratio for<br />fishing. Watch out for pox in the hulls, they were  laid up with chopper guns in the days before<br />the issues with humidity were well known. Also can suffer from cracking in the bulkhead<br />attachment to the hull and I’ve seen one with delamination along the side that<br />the owner liked to come up against the fueling jetty quite hard. Can be a<br />handful in a following sea.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;</p><br /><br />&lt;p ="msonormal"=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;</p><br /><br />&lt;p ="msonormal"=""&gt;Bertram – great sea boats, great fishing/game fishing with a<br />big cockpit. The trade off is accommodation size particularly smaller<br />ones. Smaller ones can be a bit tender, particularly at anchor.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;</p><br /><br />&lt;p ="msonormal"=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;</p><br /><br />&lt;p ="msonormal"=""&gt;Reflections – another good design from the Young family. The<br />slightly unusual lines mean you either like them or you don’t. Make sure you<br />are happy with the interior layout for your needs though, the smaller and most<br />common 980 lacks a little privacy for my likes. Well built by McDell marine.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;</p><br /><br />&lt;p ="msonormal"=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;</p><br /><br />&lt;p ="msonormal"=""&gt;Chris Robertson – harder to define, lots of individual boats<br />built 70s and 80s. Generally very well built though.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;</p><br /><br />&lt;p ="msonormal"=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;</p><br /><br />&lt;p ="msonormal"=""&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;</p><div><em>The perfect boat hasn’t been built yet mate!<br /></em></div><br /></td></tr></table> <br />What about this one SaltyC?<br /><a href="https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/motorboats/listing/3899434621" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/motorboats/listing/3899434621</a>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2022 22:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Launch 101 :   SaltyC wrote:I&amp;#039;ve seen...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=99800">Pcj</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 137324<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Dec 2022 at 6:02pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by SaltyC" alt="Originally posted by SaltyC" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>SaltyC wrote:</strong><br /><br />I've seen Milano around over the years and she is a nice looking boat that appears well looked after over the years.<div><br></div><div>37ft and 11 ton makes her a heavy boat for her length, but thats not unusual for 80's built solid grp boats.</div><div><br></div><div>The Trademe listing is very much selling the sizzle with the addition of extras for a boat this age (dishwasher, microwave, full 4 burner oven etc) but a bit low on the details needed to really evaluate it.</div><div><br></div><div>Tankage? (fuel, water, black)</div><div>Hours on the motors?</div><div>maintenance history on all engineering</div><div><br></div><div>Handling wise, I don't have any direct knowledge, but she looks to have a fairly fine entry and good flair on the bow, which means she looks like a good hull in a head sea. The weight certainly helps here. You might find those chines a bit&nbsp; noisy at rest but thats not unusual. 500hp in 37 foot boat giving only 16 to 18 knots cruise, she is not going to be frugal with diesel.</div><div><br></div><div>She looks a lot of boat for the price but a closer look would be needed to provide any real input to you.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>hope that helps</div></td></tr></table>is this not a forum members vessel,marlinmarty( Marty Baker)]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Launch 101 : President is not a well know brand...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=92709">dontpanic</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 137324<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 Dec 2022 at 4:52pm<br /><br />President is not a well know brand of hull in NZ so that may be why it is a bit slow to sell, solid GRP is generally safe. The Volvo TAMD60's from what I have seen are a solid lump of motor, and not highly stressed for a 6 ltr donk at 247hp, so they have potential also. looks like a lot of boat for the money really for a 13 mtr boat, I would estimate 70ltrs/hr cruise.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=48153">SaltyC</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 137324<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 Dec 2022 at 12:19pm<br /><br />I've seen Milano around over the years and she is a nice looking boat that appears well looked after over the years.<div><br></div><div>37ft and 11 ton makes her a heavy boat for her length, but thats not unusual for 80's built solid grp boats.</div><div><br></div><div>The Trademe listing is very much selling the sizzle with the addition of extras for a boat this age (dishwasher, microwave, full 4 burner oven etc) but a bit low on the details needed to really evaluate it.</div><div><br></div><div>Tankage? (fuel, water, black)</div><div>Hours on the motors?</div><div>maintenance history on all engineering</div><div><br></div><div>Handling wise, I don't have any direct knowledge, but she looks to have a fairly fine entry and good flair on the bow, which means she looks like a good hull in a head sea. The weight certainly helps here. You might find those chines a bit&nbsp; noisy at rest but thats not unusual. 500hp in 37 foot boat giving only 16 to 18 knots cruise, she is not going to be frugal with diesel.</div><div><br></div><div>She looks a lot of boat for the price but a closer look would be needed to provide any real input to you.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>hope that helps</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2022 12:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=45850">Bounty Hunter</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 137324<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Dec 2022 at 4:18pm<br /><br />Launch 101 - allow plenty of time and money for upkeep<div><br></div><div>you could also add the Gulfstream 32 to your list - is similar to those youre already looking at - and are a fairly straight-forward boat - production grp, avail in shaft and leg, good layout for boys fishing, and moderately quick without costing the earth to go places</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2022 16:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Launch 101 : Perfect thanks SaltyC, any thoughts...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=102818">Justlookingdear</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 137324<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Dec 2022 at 4:17pm<br /><br />Perfect thanks SaltyC, any thoughts on this?<br /><br /><a href="https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/motorboats/listing/3795034411" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/motorboats/listing/3795034411</a>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Launch 101 : Yes, Otto, preventative maintenance...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=48153">SaltyC</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 137324<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Dec 2022 at 4:14pm<br /><br />Yes, Otto, preventative maintenance costs are higher for legs. Lift every 6 to 9 months, check oil, bellows etc.<div><br></div><div>But. they are more efficient at turning diesel into forward momentum! Probably, when trimmed correctly, they can be up to 15% more efficent. So those fuel savings pretty much fund the preventative maintenance, or at least most of it.</div><div><br></div><div>Legs can get real expensive if you don't look after them properly though.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2022 16:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Launch 101 : Well summed up Salty and sorry...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=85871">Otto</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 137324<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 Dec 2022 at 3:27pm<br /><br />Well summed up Salty and sorry for not replying earlier but logging into this site keeps getting harder.<div><br></div><div>As you mentioned a stern leg can be trouble free but the yearly cost of servicing them is much greater than a shaft.</div><div>While i have not had one many friends have and those with shafts had a far lower cost with less hassles.</div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Launch 101 : Ok, just my thoughts........Pelin...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=48153">SaltyC</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 137324<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 Dec 2022 at 10:56am<br /><br />Ok, just my thoughts........<div><br></div><p ="ms&#111;normal"="">Pelin – generally good sea boats, tend to push a bit ofwater around but both Columbia and Challenger hulls have decent flair so mostwater is sprayed out away from the boat. Quality second hand depends on thebuild/builder&nbsp; and a lot were a bit underpowered so the engines canbe a bit tired. <o:p></o:p></p><p ="ms&#111;normal"=""><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p ="ms&#111;normal"="">Markline – 900 a bit small by the sounds of your needs, 1100could meet your needs, quite a forgiving hull carry their beam well forward soneed horsepower to push them along. Can be a bit wet and throw water over eventhe flybridge, hardtop would be good. Good cockpit to accommodation ratio forfishing. Watch out for pox in the hulls, they were&nbsp; laid up with chopper guns in the days beforethe issues with humidity were well known. Also can suffer from cracking in the bulkheadattachment to the hull and I’ve seen one with delamination along the side thatthe owner liked to come up against the fueling jetty quite hard. Can be ahandful in a following sea.<o:p></o:p></p><p ="ms&#111;normal"=""><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p ="ms&#111;normal"="">Bertram – great sea boats, great fishing/game fishing with abig cockpit. The trade off is accommodation size particularly smallerones. Smaller ones can be a bit tender, particularly at anchor.<o:p></o:p></p><p ="ms&#111;normal"=""><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p ="ms&#111;normal"="">Reflections – another good design from the Young family. Theslightly unusual lines mean you either like them or you don’t. Make sure youare happy with the interior layout for your needs though, the smaller and mostcommon 980 lacks a little privacy for my likes. Well built by McDell marine.<o:p></o:p></p><p ="ms&#111;normal"=""><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p ="ms&#111;normal"="">Chris Robertson – harder to define, lots of individual boatsbuilt 70s and 80s. Generally very well built though.<o:p></o:p></p><p ="ms&#111;normal"=""><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p ="ms&#111;normal"=""><o:p></o:p></p><div><i>The perfect boat hasn’t been built yet mate!</i></div>]]>
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