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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=93054">MB</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11697<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Dec 2021 at 6:23pm<br /><br />If anyone thinks that we are going to get a new introduced species in NZ, they are living in cloud cuckoo land! We will be lucky to keep what we have.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101897">064pointbreak</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11697<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 Dec 2021 at 5:55pm<br /><br /><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">I would like to see them introduced into the hydro lakes and upper nth island lakes.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">1/ They would eat the perch, koi, rudd etc that are threatening our clean waterways. The positives to this is we would prevent the problems we are expecting to see as carp become more widespread. Bass do not muddy up the waterways as trout do.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">2/ Take Lake Otatoa for example - a world class trout fishery ruined by perch. Put Bass in their and they would eat the perch. This would create - 3.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">3/ World class Bass fishery near Auckland. First Otatoa then our next opportunity is bass in lake Pupuke. There is currently a wide variety of fish in Pupuke, introducing bass would not <span style="font-size: 12px;">adversely</span>&nbsp;effect the quality of the fishery of this lake. The positive results would be <span style="font-size: 12px;">staggering</span>&nbsp;- creating sales for local retailers, manufacturers and wholesalers for a new sports fish, new fishing magazines and fishing show opportunities. The employment opportunities are huge.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">4/ Trout fishing has a minority following throughout most parts of the world. Similar to snapper vs trout in NZ. The financial benefits from snapper fishing significantly outway that of trout. The same would be true if we created a bass fishery in NZ. We would see more overseas anglers spending more money than they do currently for trout fishing.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">5/ The effects on trout fishing rivers. Minimal if at all measurable. Bass will not survive in our back country rivers. So there is no risk of putting our world class <span style="font-size: 12px;">fisheries</span>&nbsp;at risk. The majority of overseas anglers come to fish these back country rivers. Therefore we would not effect the numbers of overseas anglers coming to fish these rivers.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">6/ The big lakes of the Nth and Sth island. Well to put it <span style="font-size: 12px;">plenty</span>&nbsp;most of the Rotorua lakes are buggered already. Bass would have a far greater survival rate in Rotorua and rotoiti than trout in 20 yrs from now. We already run the risk of not having a fishery in these lakes in the future. At least by introducing bass we would all have something fun to fish for.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">7/ Many of the Sth Island alpine lakes are to cold to support the survival of Bass. Therefore there is limited risk of bass surviving in these lakes if introduced.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">8/ The real biggy is Lake Taupo. The lake is so huge that trout would be able to out run the bass. Potentially you could have a unique trout fishery and bass fishery. This happens in much of <span style="font-size: 12px;">California</span>. The negative is bass could be the main catch. Who had a great season on the Tongariro this year anyhow. Not many if any.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">9/ Great lakes we could lose as trout fisheries - Taupo and Tarawera. Koi could ruin these any how.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">10/ Ever been to a <span style="font-size: 12px;">Waikato</span>&nbsp;hydro lake in summer. Its not easy to catch a trout when these lakes warm and algae becomes a problem. Bass would feeding <span style="font-size: 12px;">ferociously</span>&nbsp;- wow what a bonus.</span><div><br><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Bass are a great fish. We would have been better off with these guys than the perch, rudd, koi and catfish in our waterways. If we <span style="font-size: 12px;">didn't</span>&nbsp;have Taupo and Rotorua then we would all be looking at Bass as the <span style="font-size: 12px;">savior</span>&nbsp;to our fishing and recreation.</span></div></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;"><br></span></div><div><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">The Fact - The world is not ideal. Our waterways and <span style="font-size: 12px;">fishery</span>&nbsp;is sliding down hill. Please protect what we have - <span style="font-size: 12px;">Didymo</span>&nbsp;is going to ruin our fishing well before DOC finds a solution. If you <span style="font-size: 12px;">don't</span>&nbsp;like what I have written</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">(and I know many of you would not have) then get in contact with your local MP and see what is being done to protect your waterway and fishery from <span style="font-size: 12px;">Didymo</span>. DOC and many of those who make a living from the NZ trout fishery do not want other introduced fish species. But what is happening with <span style="font-size: 12px;">Didymo</span>&nbsp;and when will we start to see some action.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">I know the ITM Fishing Show does not have a political agenda but it is a great platform to increase the awareness of the <span style="font-size: 12px;">didymo</span>&nbsp;problem. DOC only spends 75% of its annual budget on fisheries research. DOC has huge amounts of money available to them to find a solution as soon as possible. What are we waiting for. What are shows like the ITM FS, Geoff Thomas, gone fishing doing to protect the values Cicada, myself and many others enjoy.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Any how its late - you all get the idea of the message. I am surprised the pressure has not come on DOC as yet. DOC sat on the <span style="font-size: 12px;">painted</span>&nbsp;apple moth thing for years until public pressure brought action.</span><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><br style="-sizing: border-; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Lets hear your say now!</span></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101897">064pointbreak</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11697<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Dec 2021 at 12:39pm<br /><br /><span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">The New Zealand equivalent to black bass is Trout because it is the most sought-after freshwater game fish(a fun fact you didn't know about).</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101897">064pointbreak</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11697<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Nov 2021 at 1:26pm<br /><br />If the last thing we need are smugglers that can import bass, the closest places that have these fish are the Philippines and South Africa.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=54306">smudge</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11697<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Nov 2021 at 3:36pm<br /><br />Catfish, koi and those little mosquito fish all cause big problems, I imagine perch are probably hated and loved by anglers. some of the saltwater 'imports' are pretty destructive too the last thing we need are smugglers. But yeah we're still allowed to daydream I guess.]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2021 15:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=51845">FishMan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11697<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Nov 2021 at 2:55pm<br /><br />Now this is an interesting thread from the dim dark past. Whitey  (second to last post) provides a great example of the dangers of introducing any non-native animal or fish anywhere. <br /><br />I have friends who have daydreams about importing all sorts of sportfish into New Zealand. Largemouth bass particularly,  but also (in saltwater) striped bass and/or mulloway, even flathead!<br /><br />Totally bonkers of course  <img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />Be careful what you wish for  <img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101897">064pointbreak</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11697<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 Nov 2021 at 12:26pm<br /><br />The New Zealand equivalent to Large/smallmouth bass is Trout because it is the most sought-after freshwater game fish(a fun fact you didn't know about)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=49006">Whitey</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11697<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Nov 2005 at 2:46am<br /><br /><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings"><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=3>Hello Folks,</FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Wanted to share this article about the Rapid river in Maine, USA in regards to a smallmouth bass nightmare going &#111;n&nbsp;there as we speak.&nbsp; Brook Trout are native to the US and are being eliminated by the smallmouth bass.&nbsp; This River used to be &#111;ne of the best in the USA for trophy brookies.&nbsp; Now, a &#111;ne pounder is a real catch! Some interesting info here and its not all bad.&nbsp; I guess the salm&#111;n populati&#111;ns can compete with the smallies, but not the trout.</FONT></SPAN></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings"></SPAN><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>The Rapid River is 3.2 miles l&#111;ng and &#102;orms the outlet of the Rangeley Chain of Lakes, which have l&#111;ng been noted for their outstanding brook trout and landlocked salm&#111;n fisheries. The Rapid River is famed for its large (&gt;4 pound) native brook trout, and for small but abundant landlocked salm&#111;n, which were introduced late in the 19<SUP>th</SUP> century. The Rapid River supports very high fishing pressure, despite difficult access.&nbsp;<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>P&#111;nd in the River, 512 acres in size, divides the Rapid River into two distinct segments. P&#111;nd in the River provides important habitat for certain life stages of Rapid River trout. Both waters drain to 7,850-acre Umbagog Lake, which then &#102;orms the Androscoggin River in New Hampshire. A USFW Nati&#111;nal Wildlife Refuge encompasses a porti&#111;n of Umbagog Lake.&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>The upper Androscoggin River drainage provides water storage and minimum flows to many downstream industrial and municipal interests. There are several large dams &#111;n the Rangeley Lakes, all currently owned and operated by FPL Energy.&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>The Rapid River fishery supports two sporting camps: Lakewood Camps, located &#111;n Richards&#111;n Lake, and Forest Lodge, located near Lower Dam. The latter is situated in the &#102;ormer home of Louise Dickins&#111;n Rich, a Maine author who wrote several popular books about her life &#111;n the Rapid River.&nbsp;<O:P> <B></O:P></P><DIV class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="TEXT-ALIGN: center; tab-stops: .5in" align=center><HR align=center width="100&#037;" SIZE=2></DIV></B><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="TEXT-ALIGN: center; tab-stops: .5in" align=center><U><B><FONT size=4>The Problem<O:P></FONT></B></U><B></O:P> </P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; FONT-&#083;TYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman; FONT-VARIANT: normal">&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Smallmouth bass were illegally introduced into the New Hampshire porti&#111;n of Umbagog Lake, probably during the mid-1980’s. They quickly established themselves there, and by the late 1990’s had expanded their range to other accessible waters in the drainage, including the Rapid River and P&#111;nd in the River. Both waters provide ideal habitat for smallmouth bass and, as expected, we have observed a dramatic increase in their numbers.&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Smallmouth bass are severe competitors and predators &#111;n brook trout. Wild brook trout producti&#111;n is expected to decline during the next several years. Landlocked salm&#111;n are far more tolerant of bass, and we expect this naturalized populati&#111;n to persist.&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Bass are pr&#101;vented from accessing (&#111;n their own) other large lakes in the Rangeley Chain because the dams are impassable to fish. However, we anticipate additi&#111;nal illegal stockings to occur from this new local “reservoir” of bass.&nbsp;<O:P> <B></O:P></P><DIV class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="TEXT-ALIGN: center; tab-stops: .5in" align=center><HR align=center width="100&#037;" SIZE=2></DIV><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="TEXT-ALIGN: center; tab-stops: .5in" align=center><FONT size=4><U>Department Acti&#111;ns Taken to Date<O:P> </U>&nbsp;<O:P> </FONT></O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; FONT-&#083;TYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman; FONT-VARIANT: normal"> </SPAN></SPAN>Intensive sport fishery surveys of the Rapid River have been &#111;ngoing since 1994.&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Habitat surveys of the Rapid River and P&#111;nd in the River, including preliminary suitability studies for smallmouth bass, have been completed.&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Growth and age structure characteristics have been described for all major predator fishes, including smallmouth bass (&#111;ngoing).&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>A “no size or bag limit” rule for bass was promulgated in 2000.&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>An existing barrier dam at B P&#111;nd in Upt&#111;n (tributary to Umbagog Lake) was repaired in 2001.&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Radio telemetry studies to determine seas&#111;nal movements and habitat use of adult brook trout were initiated in 2002. A similar study of landlocked salm&#111;n and smallmouth bass movements was initiated in 2003 (&#111;ngoing).&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>A preliminary assessment of juvenile brook trout and landlocked salm&#111;n habitat use, and their interacti&#111;ns with young bass in nursery areas, was initiated in 2003 (&#111;ngoing).&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>A comprehensive regulatory package was promulgated for the 2004 fishing seas&#111;n. The regulati&#111;ns are designed to provide maximum protecti&#111;n to trout during vulnerable periods (as determined by telemetry studies) and to reduce competiti&#111;n from landlocked salm&#111;n.&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Surveys of existing natural “bass barriers” and the feasibility of establishing additi&#111;nal barriers to vulnerable trout waters were initiated in 2003. We are currently emphasizing protecti&#111;n of Umbagog Lake and Richards&#111;n Lake tributary p&#111;nds, but we anticipate extending this project to other waters further upstream (&#111;ngoing).&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Genetic studies of the Rapid River brook trout populati&#111;n have been initiated and opportunities for establishing a broodline of this strain are being explored (&#111;ngoing).&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>A food habits study was initiated for all life stages of smallmouth bass collected from the Rapid River, P&#111;nd in the River, and Umbagog Lake (&#111;ngoing).&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>A comprehensive review of the professi&#111;nal fisheries literature pertinent to this problem was initiated, and pers&#111;nal c&#111;ntacts were established with university researchers specializing in smallmouth bass and brook trout interacti&#111;ns (&#111;ngoing).&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l2 level1 lfo3; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>A significant effort has been made to elicit support and assistance from a variety of local and statewide angler groups, including local sporting camp operators and anglers, the Rangeley Guides and Sportsman’s Associati&#111;n, and Trout Unlimited (&#111;ngoing).&nbsp;<O:P> <B></O:P></P><DIV class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="TEXT-ALIGN: center; tab-stops: .5in" align=center><HR align=center width="100&#037;" SIZE=2></DIV><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="TEXT-ALIGN: center; tab-stops: .5in" align=center><FONT size=4>Immediate Work Priorities (see footnotes for volunteer assistance)<O:P> </FONT></O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="tab-stops: .5in">&nbsp;<O:P> <SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Aggressively seek funding and initiate bass barrier project for upstream waters<A title="" &#115;tyle="mso-footnote-id: ftn1" href= "http://www.state.me.us/ifw/fishing/reports/rapidriverfactsheet.htm#_ftn1 name=_ftnref1SPAN class=MsoFootnoteReference &#115;tyle=mso-footnote-id: ftn1; mso-special-character: footnote">SUP1/SUP/SPAN</A>.<O:P> &nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Complete &#111;ngoing telemetry, genetics, and bass food habits studies<A title="" &#115;tyle="mso-footnote-id: ftn2" href= "http://www.state.me.us/ifw/fishing/reports/rapidriverfactsheet.htm#_ftn2 name=_ftnref2SPAN class=MsoFootnoteReference &#115;tyle=mso-footnote-id: ftn2; mso-special-character: footnote">SUP2/SUP/SPAN</A>.<O:P> &nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Establish a broodline of the Rapid River trout strain if warranted by genetics study<A title="" &#115;tyle="mso-footnote-id: ftn3" href= "http://www.state.me.us/ifw/fishing/reports/rapidriverfactsheet.htm#_ftn3 name=_ftnref3SPAN class=MsoFootnoteReference &#115;tyle=mso-footnote-id: ftn3; mso-special-character: footnote">SUP3/SUP/SPAN</A>. This may require additi&#111;nal hatchery resources, and we may need to locate and reclaim a suitable site to hold brood fish in the wild<A title="" &#115;tyle="mso-footnote-id: ftn4" href= "http://www.state.me.us/ifw/fishing/reports/rapidriverfactsheet.htm#_ftn4 name=_ftnref4SPAN class=MsoFootnoteReference &#115;tyle=mso-footnote-id: ftn4; mso-special-character: footnote">SUP4/SUP/SPAN</A> -- </B><I>if natural reproducti&#111;n fails due to bass predati&#111;n and competiti&#111;n, replacing lost juvenile producti&#111;n with Rapid River-strain hatchery fish may be the most effective, realistic means of mitigating the presence of bass.</I> <O:P>&nbsp;<O:P> <B></O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Seek funding and support to expand juvenile trout habitat surveys and evaluate the efficacy of c&#111;ntrolling bass in these critical areas. The Department recommends that this work be c&#111;ntracted to a university graduate student or c&#111;nsulting firm.<O:P> &nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>Collaborate with FPL Energy and Settlement Team to reassess the Rapid River’s flow regime. Studies should be initiated to determine flow regimes most favorable to trout life stages and least favorable to smallmouth bass and landlocked salm&#111;n.<O:P> <SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in"><O:P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>C&#111;ntinue reviews of the scientific literature pertinent to this issue, and maintain c&#111;ntacts with other professi&#111;nals involved in this work. The Department is currently seeking assistance from an independent c&#111;ntractor to facilitate a detailed review of the literature. This c&#111;ntract will include provisi&#111;ns for submitting summary reports for professi&#111;nal workers as well as for the general public.<O:P> &nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Ø<SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>C&#111;ntinue sport fishery surveys and maintain current biological in&#102;ormati&#111;n for Rapid River salm&#111;nids<A title="" &#115;tyle="mso-footnote-id: ftn5" href= "http://www.state.me.us/ifw/fishing/reports/rapidriverfactsheet.htm#_ftn5 name=_ftnref5SPAN class=MsoFootnoteReference &#115;tyle=mso-footnote-id: ftn5; mso-special-character: footnote">SUP5/SUP/SPAN</A>. Design study plan to effectively m&#111;nitor effects of new fishing regulati&#111;ns and possible flow regime changes.&nbsp;<O:P>&nbsp;<O:P> </O:P></O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in"><O:P><O:P></O:P></O:P>&nbsp;</P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in"><O:P><O:P>Now think, do you really want to go here!</O:P></O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in"><O:P><O:P>Regards,</O:P></O:P></P><P class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo4; tab-stops: list .5in"><O:P><O:P>Whitey</O:P></P><DIV class=MsoHeader &#115;tyle="TEXT-ALIGN: center; tab-stops: .5in" align=center><HR align=center width="100&#037;" SIZE=2></DIV></B></O:P></O:P></O:P></O:P></O:P></O:P></O:P></O:P></O:P></O:P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=41719">upstream</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11697<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Nov 2005 at 9:41am<br /><br /><P>The best thing about this debate is that it is purely academic. There is no way that MAF or DOC would c&#111;ntemplate such a thing. I see that people couldn't even get flowers in for the Ellerslie show.</P><P>Saying that, I do love fishing for SM bass. I &#111;nce caught a 40cm bass with a 15cm bluegill sunfish in its stomach. These boys are always hungry! I also &#111;nce watched a snake swimming across a river with a bass in hot pursuit, nipping at the snake and almost drowning it until it finally made its escape up the bank.</P><P>Fishing for them with poppers is very exciting. The fish errupts out of the water and absolutely smashes the popper. The fish will then almost always jump and will fight to the bank. LM bass are poor fighters. If you hold them &#111;n the first jump and pr&#101;vent them wrapping you around some structure, they will just flop all the way to the boat.</P><P>But I would never risk the superb trout fishing we have here for the sake of a few bass. </P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=53972">Pole Dancer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 11697<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Nov 2005 at 7:30am<br /><br /><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Good call Whitey. You are 100&#037; correct in what you say about Bass.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I understand Herring's point of view and share the thought that fishing for Bass would be great. However there are major flaws in his argument and the major &#111;ne is the seeding you outline.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">That is how the majority of our "trash fish" have already been introduced. Also there has never been a case of fish c&#111;ntainment in NZ yet. If a particular fish is introduced to a specific waterway it has, in <EM><B><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">every case</SPAN></B></EM> turned up in other waterways. Some of these fish spread themselves in unique ways. Perch, for instance, can have their eggs transported into p&#111;nds &#111;n the feet of waterfowl.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Introducing Bass to NZ would court disaster because as Whitey has pointed out they will out compete the trout. The size of lakes will be no sanctuary for fish as it has not been in the equally huge impoundments in the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-regi&#111;n w:st="&#111;n"><st1:place w:st="&#111;n">US</st1:place></st1:country-regi&#111;n>. If &#111;nly planted in northland where they would thrive they would so&#111;n be spread by anglers who wanted to fish for them elsewhere. There is also a major chance of disease introducti&#111;n with new fish stocks something we are relatively free of in NZ at present.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Tournaments would not reach the scale here they do in the US and would have no chance of emulating those in the US the same way the NZ Golf Open can't compete with the US Golf Open, or our Tennis Tournaments can't compete. We do not have the populati&#111;n to create the multi billi&#111;n dollar industry here they have in the <st1:country-regi&#111;n w:st="&#111;n"><st1:place w:st="&#111;n">US</st1:place></st1:country-regi&#111;n>. That's a pipedream. We currently have a sports fishery that generates hundreds of milli&#111;ns of dollars for the NZ ec&#111;nomy at almost no cost to the taxpayer and we would jeopardise that for a 100-1 shot bass tournament? I d&#111;n't think so.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">After&nbsp;200 years of introducing species to this country we should by now know that the vast majority have, while introduced to be of value, become pests which need c&#111;nstant populati&#111;n c&#111;ntrol at a cost to the taxpayer and at the expense of other wanted species. Stoats and ferrets were introduced to kill rabbits which were introduced and have been a plague; the counter introducti&#111;n was of no use and has decimated our native birds etc... Introducing bass would be another step down that road. Trout d&#111;n't muddy waterways... carp do, but to introduce Bass to fix a problem created by Carp being introduced would be akin to introducing Ferrets to kill rabbits... it w&#111;n't work and will create other problems.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">It amazes me the northern fisheries that have been screwed over by poorly thought fish introducti&#111;ns, in many cases by coarse anglers wanting to emulate sports from other countries or their home countries, as outlined <st1:place w:st="&#111;n"><st1:PlaceType w:st="&#111;n">Lake</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName w:st="&#111;n">Pupuke</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> and others. When I was a kid there was a good brook trout fishery there, right in Auckland... it would be fantastic if there was a way to put Bass in there, have them go nowhere else and for the kids of Auckland, and adults to experience but there is no practical way to do it without causing even more harm to our already pressured freshwater fisheries. Both fish and game and the NZFFA have huge libraries of &#100;ocumentati&#111;n and research &#111;n other species and their potential impacts… these should not be idle thoughts w&#111;ndering “what could be” because the in&#102;ormati&#111;n is there of what would be if some species were introduced and it is frightening!!! It’s a n&#111;n argument as the scientific in&#102;ormati&#111;n is such that the idea of introducing Bass to NZ will never get bey&#111;nd this forum as the dangers are known, &#100;ocumented and scientific… it would be an ecological disaster for this country and not just with trout!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Didymo stands to have a major impact. It will not wipe out our trout fisheries. It will impact a number of rivers but probably w&#111;n’t bloom in the majority of our rivers. The measures in place in NZ will slow its spread but they will not and cannot stop it. Biosecurity were absolutely abysmal in their resp&#111;nse and probably the spread has not been c&#111;ntained as it could have been in the early stages as their c&#111;ncerns were not great enough. primarily they are c&#111;ncerned with stopping stuff getting here, &#111;nce its here it's a failure &#111;n their part and c&#111;ntainment seemed fruitless to them even though Fish and Game were screaming for measures to be put in place as was the New Zealand <st1:Pers&#111;nName w:st="&#111;n">Professi&#111;nal Fishing Guides</st1:Pers&#111;nName> Associati&#111;n back in June. As a guide I have invested in large c&#111;ntainers and detergents etc to clean all visiting anglers equipment, waders and boots when they arrive and before they depart in accordance with the guidelines set out by F&amp;G and NZPFGA, we have a resp&#111;nsibility to slow this thing, but we will not stop it no matter how diligent and cautious we are, we can slow it down though.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">My biggest fear with Didymo is that the &#111;nly way to eradicate it is to basically wipe out all of the life in a river. This may seem a soluti&#111;n... wipe it out now where its been found and let the rivers embark &#111;n a 3-8 year course of re-establishing itself... but beware there are nutters out there in DOC land and Forest and Bird that would have every n&#111;n indigenous creature banished from this land including us and there will be <EM><B><U><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">major</SPAN></U></B></EM> oppositi&#111;n to reintroducing trout into these waterways if that "cure" is enacted. This may seem "out there" but these nutters have clout and already have made impractical ideas a reality in many cases.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Didymo is here to stay I'm afraid and it will have major impact &#111;n many waterways, but not all and most likely not the vast majority, but it will impact.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P><SPAN &#115;tyle="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Introducing further species as some counter mechanism is just plain folly. We have to nurture and care take what we have not recklessly create more problems. While I would love nothing better than having a local spot where I could go and throw fly rod poppers at Large Mouth bass I shudder at the thought of the reality.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P class=Ms&#111;normal &#115;tyle="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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