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   <title><![CDATA[Secrecy! : Good post Clark. ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=89170">8wt</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 116279<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Mar 2016 at 2:13am<br /><br />Good post Clark.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Secrecy! :  Great topic Craig and fantastic...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=54442">Virtualgamble</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 116279<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 Mar 2016 at 12:30am<br /><br /><p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><span lang="EN" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial",sans-serif; mso-ansi-: EN;'><font size="3">Great topic Craig and fantastic entries all.<o:p></o:p></font></span></p><p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><span lang="EN" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial",sans-serif; mso-ansi-: EN;'><font size="3">I can’t get over these fish.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span></font><font size="3">After almost 20 years of freshwater and somesalt fly fishing, it still boggles my mind that kings (and now snapper I see) canbe found in 2 or 3 foot of clear water, stalked, cast to and hooked.</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font size="3">&nbsp;</font></span></span></p><p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><span lang="EN" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial",sans-serif; mso-ansi-: EN;'><font size="3">Without the bits of information picked uphere and there, I would have been none the wiser, and never considered flatsfishing a possibility in NZ.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span></font><font size="3">So I am immenselygrateful to pioneers like Clark.</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font size="3">&nbsp; </font></span><font size="3">But I respectthe need for secrecy and probably because I have lacked the gumption, have neverasked for specific locations (keen to pass it off as integrity now though!).</font><font size="3"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></font></span></p><p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><span lang="EN" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial",sans-serif; mso-ansi-: EN;'><font size="3">I am happy to scan available materials, and amgrateful for volunteered information.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span></font><font size="3">However,the sport of flats fishing especially is made that much sweeter throughdiscovery.</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font size="3">&nbsp; </font></span><font size="3">Seek the skinniest water andyou shall be rewarded.</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font size="3">&nbsp; </font></span><font size="3">The joy ofdiscovery must have been a huge buzz for the pioneering anglers.</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font size="3">&nbsp; </font></span><font size="3">So while you might have let the cat out ofthe bag Clark and Nikolaj and others, thank you.</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font size="3">&nbsp; </font></span><font size="3">I hope that your spots that used to produce,do so again, and fishing pressure isn’t why they changed.</font><font size="3"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></font></span></p><p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><span lang="EN" style='color: black; font-family: "Arial",sans-serif; mso-ansi-: EN;'><font size="3">We need to keep secrets to avoid netters and otherlower life forms from soiling the treasure but hope to see more fishermenstalk the flats.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span></font><font size="3">More participation willbring these environments into greater focus and better protection of thisresource will require an elevated profile.</font><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font size="3">&nbsp;</font></span><font size="3">How it all looks I don’t know but Milsy’s tagging program and Dan’s clubactivities are part of it.&nbsp;</font><font size="3"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font></span></p>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Secrecy! : Well put Clark ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=76153">Millsy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 116279<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Mar 2016 at 7:38pm<br /><br />Well put Clark&nbsp;<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" alt="Clap" title="Clap" />]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2016 19:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Secrecy! : Fantastic Post Clark...   ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=71948">flygimp</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 116279<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Mar 2016 at 2:58pm<br /><br />Fantastic Post Clark... <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=51845">FishMan</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 116279<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Mar 2016 at 2:46pm<br /><br />Great post&nbsp;<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" alt="Clap" title="Clap" />]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Secrecy! : It&amp;#039;s a really interesting...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=53972">Pole Dancer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 116279<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 Mar 2016 at 10:28am<br /><br />It's a really interesting situation and one I have taken a complete rethink on over recent years.<div><br></div><div>I was totally naive in regards how much pressure it would take to "change" a fishery or fish behavior. I believed, in my case, the Northern end of Tauranga harbour would absorb any amount of pressure, I couldn't have been more wrong... on several levels.</div><div><br></div><div>First there was our own initial rush of blood to the head with what we had found and we fished hard and I invited a lot of people to come and share what we had found. The fishing was consistent and pretty predictable. Double hook ups on the flats were reasonably common, multi fish days the same...&nbsp;</div><div><img src="uploads/53972/IMG_0011.JPG" height="333" width="500" border="0" /><br></div><div><img src="uploads/53972/IMG_9358.JPG" height="333" width="500" border="0" /><br></div><div>I've never seen a situation in my backyard that would have the potential for a four or five fish hook up though. I hope that is a reflection of the fishery and not nursing fish for extended periods in the shallows waiting for everyone to hook up. &nbsp;It has whetted my appetite to leave my own backyard and have a crack at the South Island one. Such is the power of those photos.</div><div><br></div><div>When we did start targeting the Kings in shallow water at Bowentown it was interesting to note that many of the locals were well aware of the ray riding behavior but had not really considered targeting them as their usual methods just didn't fit that scenario, at the same time we began our chase though soft baiting and stick baiting was the new go and many locals followed our lead into the shallows and simultaneously that fishing also got quite a bit of publicity on some fishing TV Shows... it started an exodus to fish shallow water normally not even touched. Also, as has been discussed in other threads, we have a keen group of bowhunters in this area and the rejuvenated profile of the shallows brought even more of them hunting on our fishing flats... the pressure escalated very quickly and now, just 8 years since we found our first fish on the flats it has become very hard work to find any at all and has been for the past couple of summers. Interestingly the Southern end of the harbour which has had much less pressure in the shallows, is still fishing very well... but for how long?</div><div><br></div><div>I believe the South island fishery could face a similar fate very quickly as the word is well and truly out and there will be many who will go it alone and not use a guide. The reports I have had is that it runs very hot and cold and is on fire one day and almost useless, especially if the easterlies get up... the next, &nbsp;that might be its saving grace. &nbsp;I don't blame the guide for promoting it, I have never seen him claim to be the first to do so there, he is a young guy with a business that frankly stands to do little harm, other than the higher profile will bring anglers... That's a real conundrum for many of us. There is a number of people who have been trying to raise the profile of Saltwater Fly fishing for many years and it looks like its finally getting traction. The down side of that is that it creates pressure. The recent "Saltfly Hookup" held at Omokoroa was a wonderful event with people coming from all over NZ and Aus to share a weekend of fishing, fly-tying, new experiences and camaraderie... on every level it was a fantastic success, on the other hand it opened up the area to many more anglers than it had previously. I'm not knocking it, it was awesome, but there is a downside to everything.</div><div><br></div><div>One of the main things I have tried to tell people who ask me where to start with SWF is just to get out there and have a go. Many seem to want to learn all there is to know before they even start and most are surprised at how straightforward it all is once you get there. None of this is rocket science, we're just catching fish. Ed Racke, a very talented CHCH Flytier, came up to the "Saltfly Hookup" with little SWF experience other than catching Kahawai at the Waimakariri River Mouth, arriving early for the event he simply walked to the nearest flat and "Had a go" and landed three flats Kings and lost another at his first attempt.</div><div><br></div><div>So is this a case of "be careful what you wish for"? &nbsp;Those of us who have tried to promote SWF and aim towards what has now developed might have shot ourselves in the foot somewhat. But I do think there is solace to be taken from the fact that there are going to be many more places where this action is available. I haven't even had a chance to fish all of the places nearby in the Coromandel harbours, or know of anyone exploring those places all along the East Coast right down through Hawkes Bay and Wairarapa. I would think the Castlepoint Lagoon could be fantastic!</div><div><br></div><div>I am hoping the saving grace will be as more places become known for having this type of action the concentration of pressure will be spread over wider areas and there will sport for all. It may well be a lack of secrecy improves things but I can't really say I hold enough conviction of that to be too vocal about places I am yet to discover... <img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" />&nbsp;I feel a bit burned by my personal experience already, but am glad so many people are taking up the sport and challenge. Time will tell I guess.</div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Secrecy! :  Awesome Nick. I don&amp;#039;t think...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=41719">upstream</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 116279<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Feb 2016 at 12:15pm<br /><br />Awesome Nick. I don't think I could spend 4 days looking though...<div>The one harbour has quite good visibility - going soon now.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Really. Trying. Hard. Not. To. Ask. For. Any. More. Info....<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley15.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Evil Smile" title="Evil Smile" /></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Secrecy! :   upstream wrote: Mmm, I can&amp;#039;t...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=60705">Snuffit.</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 116279<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Feb 2016 at 11:42am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by upstream" alt="Originally posted by upstream" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>upstream wrote:</strong><br /><br />Mmm, I can't help wondering about that Hamilton spot now Craig. <img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="T&#111;ngue" title="T&#111;ngue" /><div>It must be one of the 3 harbours. Must get there soon...</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Some people I know caught a 34kg kingfish in sub 1 m of water last week in one of those harbours. Thing is, it took them 4 days to find that fish&nbsp;<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Secrecy! : Yeah Facebook has become a haven...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=52212">Muppet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 116279<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2016 at 6:17pm<br /><br />Yeah Facebook has become a haven for importers pushing their gear to sell to us by telling where to go fishing. But remember its only the orange ones that will work &nbsp;]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Secrecy! : Social media will have serious...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=78576">RC17</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 116279<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Feb 2016 at 10:37am<br /><br />Social media will have serious impacts on ones fishing over the coming years - trust me. The main reason being most people use it daily, so the feeds of info are constantly popping infront of them. Guys are posting while still on the water. The other day a guy got a bin full of snapper at a spot, and the next day I drove past and there was over 50 boats at a spot that usually held 4 or 5 boats... <br><br>Even for the lakes, I know Rotoiti is getting thrashed at the moment (in relative terms to how it usually is) because no-one seems to be posting any Bay Of Plenty / Taupo trout online except the ones caught from there (or the Rotorua stream mouths you speak of Fraser). <br><br>Places like Little Barrier, an absolute novice could fill the bin with the amount of spots and tactics divulged online now.... <br><br><br><br>]]>
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