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   <title><![CDATA[8-8.5m boat, advice wanted. : My 9m had a 2.9m beam and the...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=53814">Apex Predator</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 110876<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 Jun 2015 at 9:28am<br /><br />My 9m had a 2.9m beam and the extra space was quite noticable, particularly the space between the engine box and the boat sides, and inside the cabin. &nbsp;The forward cabin easily slept 3 bodies. The separate shower/toilet also fitted nicely on the starboard side without interfering with access between the cabin and the cockpit although it did restrict vision from the helm into that side of the cockpit.<div><br></div><div>The boat travelled really well and was particularly stable at rest - it was a good balance between beam and length.</div><div><br></div><div>In terms of towing the extra beam was quite noticable and required quite a bit of extra care around narrow and winding roads. &nbsp;My worst experience towing was across the centre lanes of the harbour bridge - they are really narrow, there is a large concrete kerb on one side, usually trucks in the other lane and only 150-200mm of room each side. &nbsp;Always made sure I used the clipons after that. &nbsp;Legally, the rules are quite relaxed - between 2.5m and 3.1m you only need over width flags and headlights on. &nbsp;Over this you need a pilot and there are restrictions on times that you can travel on some roads.</div><div><br></div><div>Weight is the other thing you need to be careful of, most 9m+ cabin boats would be over 3.5T on the trailer which is the point at which they (should) become a heavy vehicle. &nbsp;Mine was 3.3T across the axles (as measured on VTNZ's rolling road at WOF time) so just squeaked in. &nbsp;This was with empty tanks.</div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[8-8.5m boat, advice wanted. : My understanding of good boat...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=89010">whippersnappyr</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 110876<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2015 at 8:13pm<br /><br />My understanding of good boat design is that a length to beam ratio of 3-3.5 is the go. So trailer boats with standard 2.5m max beam are ok up to about 8.5 m or so. It is certainly true that our Tristram Grandeur likes to wander at anchor but keeping the fuel and water full helps a bit. Many boats are too beamy simply because accommodation has been made more important than seakeeping]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[8-8.5m boat, advice wanted. :   MikeAqua wrote:Beam would be...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=46841">Tagit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 110876<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2015 at 7:02pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by MikeAqua" alt="Originally posted by MikeAqua" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>MikeAqua wrote:</strong><br /><br />Beam would be a big consideration for me too.&nbsp; Once you get up over ~7m, making a boat fit within standard trailer width,&nbsp; rather than optimal shape starts to limit beam.<br><br>That has a big effect on handling, stability and internal room. <br><br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Adding an extra 1/2m of beam to a boat makes a huge difference in the volume as well as helping stability. Once you get over ~8m or so the beam on a trailer boat is a compromise purely to keep it road legal. Having said that, you may not notice the stability difference very much as you cruise around, but when trolling or at anchor the extra beam and associated weight is a nice thing to have.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[8-8.5m boat, advice wanted. : ^^^ Great post Gazza,^^^I have...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=64213">NumnuT_AUS</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 110876<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2015 at 6:45pm<br /><br /><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;">^^^ Great post Gazza,&nbsp;<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" alt="Clap" title="Clap" />&nbsp;^^^</span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;"><br></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;">I have a 5m tinny and&nbsp;</span>couldn't<span style="line-height: 1.4;">&nbsp;be bothered with towing thru Sydney &amp; lining up at boat ramps anymore.</span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;"><br></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;">I never fish on weekends as far too busy, on &amp; off the water.</span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;"><br></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;">I also never fish past say 1400hrs, to make sure I can get the boat home before the school rush.</span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;"><br></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;">My next boat will be on a marina, 15 mins from home $600 / month.</span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;"><br></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;">Im really looking forward to getting out on the water at 0900 on the weekend &amp; cruising up to the fish markets for lunch,&nbsp;</span><span style="line-height: 1.4;">fish till dusk, then cruise on back into the marina, 10 min hose down (diesel shaft drive), then go for a beer in clubhouse.</span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;"><br></span></div><div>Will obviously cost more than my current boat to run each year, but am happy to pay for the much more enjoyable boating experience.</div><div><br></div><div>attitudes change with age.<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br>Craig</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[8-8.5m boat, advice wanted. : Beam would be a big consideration...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=67611">MikeAqua</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 110876<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2015 at 6:41pm<br /><br />Beam would be a big consideration for me too.&nbsp; Once you get up over ~7m, making a boat fit within standard trailer width,&nbsp; rather than optimal shape starts to limit beam.<br><br>That has a big effect on handling, stability and internal room. <br><br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[8-8.5m boat, advice wanted. :  I know we&amp;#039;ve been over...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=62813">Garry 23041</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 110876<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2015 at 5:27pm<br /><br />I know we've been over some of this but reading the thread has made me want to make a few points.<div>&nbsp;</div><div>If you have a decent 8.5m boat then it's a good safe boat and as mine is moored 10mins from my house I can find a park for my car, grab my dink and walk past the christmas hords lining the ramp and spend the day fishing alone! try that with an 8.5m trailer.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Also and to me most importantly my boat is 8.5 by 2.8 so is a bit wider than most trailer boats.</div><div>I think the extra beam is huge in terms of comfort and use.</div><div>My cockpit is roomy as.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I have the comfort of glass and I only tow it home once a year for two months so don't care about weight but it's not that heavy anyway.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>When my mate takes his 5.3m tinnie with a 90 yam 4 stroke out to the garden patch and I take my boat he goes 20knots (gotta be calm as) and I go 15 or so and we use the same cost of fuel. He burns about 80bucks in petrol and I burn the same in diesel! and my engine is old school.</div><div>He is cold in winter, hot in summer, beat up and cramped for space and I still match him for fuel.</div><div>If you use your boat a lot like I do you will spend a lot more on fuel with an outboard boat for sure.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>BUT I do have to anti foul each year and it takes one tin and takes half a day.</div><div>I also remove the leg and clean it down and re fit it each year.</div><div>I made a jig for this and it's pretty easy but you might skin a knuckle and swear a bit so it's not for everyone.</div><div>I do my own repairs as much as I can if needed and all maintainance.</div><div>It's MUCH more work for me than an outboard but very cheap doing it myself.</div><div>I know my leg and engine now and it's not a problem to me at all but you might not be keen.</div><div>I would say if you plan high use lots of trips or big distance diesel is the better fuel, if you are not going far or often petrol, but why have a big boat then?</div><div>If you have mates to share fuel cost and they go a lot get an outboard if you prefer.</div><div>As to cost my boat cost $50k and about $20k to update electronics etc and had only 450hrs on the volvo.</div><div>It had never been anti fouled and was dry stacked before I got it but had sat in the sun unused for 5 years so could use a paint. </div><div>I am happy to go far and wide in it and I spent about the price of a new engine and running gear on the whole thing.</div><div>You have to be Honest with yourself about your intended use and reqirements or you won't get the right boat that's for sure.</div><div>I would never trade my boat for a trailer boat for my use, end of.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I am fishing and diving&nbsp;thursday morning then bringing it home soon so if the weather is ok after this crap goes through on the weekend come up for a blast early in the week one morning before I haul it. It goes back in the water in October. I think looking at it sitting in the yard is one thing but you need to get as many guys to take you out as you can for a run.</div><div>Most like me will tell you the bad as well as the good and that's got to help you decide.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[8-8.5m boat, advice wanted. : I&amp;#039;m currently going through...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=53814">Apex Predator</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 110876<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2015 at 12:25pm<br /><br />I'm currently going through the "what the hell have I done" phase after just having sold my 9m trailer boat. &nbsp;I'm intent on a 12ish m launch and there are some quite good deals around at the moment. &nbsp;Appreciate Dons thoughts.<div><br></div><div>I'd go for a skid trailer next time over rollers. &nbsp;Skids get the boat 100mm closer to the water so launching is easier. &nbsp;It's also more risky to drive big trailer boats on to roller trailers because it's so easy to bend roller arms due to the force the boat carries with it even when moving slowly. &nbsp;I had a 9000lb Superwinch which retrieved the boat onto the trailer quicker than a 6m with an armstrong. &nbsp;At a reasonable ramp with a pontoon I could easily launch single handed and often did.</div><div><br></div><div>The MOST important thing on the trailer though is good brakes. &nbsp;Mine had big diameter Kodiak discs that would pull my whole rig (car and all) up on steep declines. &nbsp;Expect to spend at least a day or 2 a year maintaining the trailer (or paying someone else to do it).</div><div><br></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;">Layout wise, and mine was a well thought out boat, I found the 9m to be too small to give the comfort of a launch but to big to deliver the ease and practicality of a trailer boat. &nbsp;Having a separate shower and head, for instance is great but they are not much bigger than a closet and not that comfortable to use. &nbsp;You are also constantly converting space as well, eg I had to tilt the helm seat forward to use the galley which made it difficult to prepare food while underway. &nbsp;It is still quite cramped living and not practical, other than for a couple, for more than a few days at a time.</span></div><div><br></div><div>Economy wise I will never experience such cheap boating again, mine was a diesel sterndrive and I could cruise at 25-27 knots using 30-35lph and troll all day at round 7lph. &nbsp;I did 5500nm in my boat over 5 seasons and used 6700l. &nbsp;That's less than $1 per nm.</div><div><br></div><div><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">The trailer boat was great when I lived in Napier but here in Auckland I see no need to tow when I can go anywhere from the far north to waihau from home. This is one of the main reasons for my change. &nbsp;I'll miss the West Coast, particularly when we get a season of Easterlies.</span></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=64040">Andee</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 110876<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2015 at 11:24am<br /><br />The trailer has skids, which is a new concept to us. We've been used to a 6.8m alloy boat on a trailer with rollers.<div>Our struggles have all been around me putting the skid type trailer in the water too deep.</div><div>Well so my wife tells me anyway!</div><div>We have no guide poles, and have no experience of them. I see many White Pointer trailers with them fitted.</div><div>A good ramp is a great start. The one at Opua Marina is a treasure!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[8-8.5m boat, advice wanted. :   MandM wrote: My 2 cents worth.Depends...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=80299">pompey</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 110876<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2015 at 11:11am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by MandM" alt="Originally posted by MandM" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>MandM wrote:</strong><br /><br />My 2 cents worth.<div></div>Depends where you live and what facilities you have access too. Also do you want to fish a lot of different places around NZ, or are you happy cruising around up north from your marina?<div>If you have a good marina and lift out facilities etc personally Id get a larger&nbsp;moored boat for the extra size, comfort etc and can accommodate more people.</div><div>&nbsp;Plenty of great places to go cruising out of Auckland, northland etc fishing diving for the weekends and holidays.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I am having the same dilemma now but I decided to get a new 8.5 mtr trailer boat soon&nbsp;due to not having any good facilities in New Plymouth. We have no access to fuel, no lift out facility here and the marina is crap. Not many great second hand alloy boats around, the ones that are, are&nbsp;still $180k and they are 8/10 years old. Selling them for what it cost them to build back in 2006 etc. Crazy.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>New cost for a 8.5 mtr wide beam&nbsp;boat is banging on the door of 270/300k depending on specs. Can buy a great second hand moored 10/13 mtr vessel for that money. Plenty on trade me atm, buyers market&nbsp; it seems.</div><div>Good luck with your decision.</div></td></tr></table> Thanks for your advice. You have reached many of the conclusions I have. It seems depreciation on some of the big alloy trailer boats is minimal or selling prices do not relate to asking prices. We have a good local ramp and I was not really interested in towing a big rig for miles when I have such a great back yard to explore. A launch is becoming a stronger option but I have to admit, I have no experience with launch's.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[8-8.5m boat, advice wanted. :   Andee wrote:Some more thoughts...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=80299">pompey</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 110876<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 Jun 2015 at 11:05am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Andee" alt="Originally posted by Andee" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Andee wrote:</strong><br /><br />Some more thoughts Pompey.<div><br></div><div>We went the trailer boat way…..</div><div><br></div><div>As with everything there are pros and cons, and so it becomes a personal decision.</div><div><br></div><div>It's an 8m Dickey boat on an alloy trailer. 300hp Suzuki outboard motor. We don't intend to do any trolling / game fishing, so that helped with the motor conundrum. In terms of motor longevity, well we'll see at some point won't we. &nbsp;( 60 hours so far )</div><div><br></div><div>We had a 100 series Landcruiser to tow with, so that again helped.</div><div><br></div><div>Fuel wise: At 22 knots, it's using around 32 litres per hour. Ouch!</div><div><br></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;">More often than not, it's just my wife and I putting the boat on &amp; off the trailer. ( I do the trailer and she puts the boat on &amp; off )</span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;">It all becomes easier when we have an extra air of hands available though.</span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;"><br></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 1.4;">Good ramps become important, and to be honest we have had the odd&nbsp;</span>stressful moment!</div><div><br></div><div>So far we have done some fishing / boating in Napier, Taupo, Bay Of Islands and now the Coromandel. It's that mobility which we enjoy.</div><div><br></div><div>Finding storage has been tricky. Indoor at Opua and now Coromandel, costing around $3000 per year.</div><div>If you lower the motor, the boat fits in a 10m deep shed. A 3.4m high doorway is another thing to be mindful of.</div><div><br></div><div>Good luck with your decision. There is lots of wonderful advice available on this forum.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Like many, I've been very guilty of reading it all and never adding to the discussion.&nbsp;<img src="https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /></div><div><br></div></td></tr></table> Thanks Andee. That sounds like a great set up. A bit above my budget. Currently we do the launching and retrieval opposite to you, I drive on, but its only a 6m boat. My wife has reservations about being able to handle an 8m boat especially on a slippery ramp at low tide with some windage. Your economy sounds ok for a boat that size. Is your trailer skids or rollers and do you have guide poles? We found guide poles very helpful . I was after advice and it's great to get it, probably more confused now.&nbsp;]]>
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