89 Kiwi Killed In 1080 Drop

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TTK - I don't think anyone is arguing that we shouldn't be trying to protect our natural wildlife. It is just the method that is being questioned. Just because 1080 is 'cheap', it doesn't make it right. We could probably fund an alternative, less toxic, plan with less side kills by halving the beehives booze bill, so the fact that the money required doesn't end up in DOC's pocket and they have to go for the cheapest solution is no excuse for dumping tonnes of poison all over our country. Don't blame DOC (for anything other than lying about 1080), but do blame the government for how they prioritise funding.

We keep on hearing that 1080 is the most cost effective solution. Doesn't make it the right solution just because our government doesn't stick the right amounts of money in the right buckets. They easily spend $millions on anything that they feel politically advances their cause, just need some of that to end up in more useful budgets.
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Interesting report in todays Herald. Doc's monitoring shows that they are getting a 12% kill rate of Kea where they drop 1080. Initial reading says that only 24 Kea were killed over several years, but read a bit more and that is 24 out of 199 that were being monitored which is just a bit more than a 12% kill rate. So highly endangered population of a bird that lives no where else in the world and DOC claim that a 12% population kill rate is OK because 1080 is cheap. The fine for killing a Kea is $100k or 6 months, so we obviously put a very high value on protecting them. What this says is that the value isn't quite as high if it is DOC funds being spent I guess. 
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The only thing ever likely to be better than 1080 is biological control. Of course biological control was what was intended with the introduction of stoats. 1080 is naturally occurring so biodegrades, and is more toxic towards mammals than birds. It is practically the perfect poison already. 


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So DOC is happy with a 12% death rate of kea,yet they will not attend westhaven to remove a sealoin which has benn there for a few months as it has not bitten anyone?
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Not quite sure of how that comparison works? Most people down here see the Leopard Seal as an attraction rather than a real menace. He/she did eyeball me as I was walking along the marina one day but I don't really think of it as a serious threat. Fun to watch it catching sea gulls though. National Geographic stuff in your work place.
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Thanks Dave,another site and its all doom and gloom.From dogs wont leave vessel to children refusing to get out of car as seal may attack them..
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Originally posted by Tagit Tagit wrote:

Interesting report in todays Herald. Doc's monitoring shows that they are getting a 12% kill rate of Kea where they drop 1080. Initial reading says that only 24 Kea were killed over several years, but read a bit more and that is 24 out of 199 that were being monitored which is just a bit more than a 12% kill rate. So highly endangered population of a bird that lives no where else in the world and DOC claim that a 12% population kill rate is OK because 1080 is cheap. The fine for killing a Kea is $100k or 6 months, so we obviously put a very high value on protecting them. What this says is that the value isn't quite as high if it is DOC funds being spent I guess. 

And the reason they are a threatened species is because of predation by introduced species..... If we do nothing   that stoats, weasels ferrets and rats would eventually wipe them out. Which would you prefer? 
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Hmm why not trap all native species(where possible)transfer to another area before drop takes place?
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Originally posted by Tagit Tagit wrote:

Not quite sure of how that comparison works? Most people down here see the Leopard Seal as an attraction rather than a real menace. He/she did eyeball me as I was walking along the marina one day but I don't really think of it as a serious threat. Fun to watch it catching sea gulls though. National Geographic stuff in your work place.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the 1080 thing, as I think it's the best option at the moment and plenty of work is being done by the boffins to find an alternative, but I'm with you on the leopard seal, Tagit!

I heard there were actually two, but whatever the situation was, I saw a huge sleek leopard seal in the viaduct right next to the old America's Cup yachts a few months ago. It was diving around under the jetty, wowing the tourists and locals alike, and came up with a big fish - I can only think it was a 2kg parore. It was incredible to see it that close, you could see the scars and its pffff of breath as it came up. No harm to anyone as long as they kept their distance, and there and at Westhaven it's restricted access to water and jetty level anyway.
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interesting read from a northland bush control group
came via F/B green party

http://www.baybushaction.org.nz/Bio1080.aspx
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