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Excatly! How many are polictical or members of party's with interests or supporting parties of similar interests or employment in writing speech for similar parties?
Some day they don't care one way or other but continue to push their agenda.
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Scott, yes some Legasea people (now) may have been involved with what you mention but you cant claim that these are Legasea achievements. I am well aware if NZ status in the striped marlin & kingfish fishery but please don't take me for a fool which I take as your implying,  as for what the fishery would look like now if Legasea wasn't in existence, bit of a far reaching statement isn't it. I still fail to believe that NZ recreational fishery is in as bad a state as everyone makes out, certainly no here anyway. At no stage did I mention the  what's fishing worth study propaganda B/S, although I do have reservations about some of its findings. Trash talk? if you consider my opinions as such then so be it but then that's your prerogative. Maybe just maybe why people are being turned of posting in the forum is not because of "trash talk" but rather that this place has become to political and not a place of sharing & learning.
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Am marlin fishing today.  Quick reply Tzer.
We spend 2 years meeting with MPI, Commercial Fishers and Maori to develop the High Migratory Species Fisheries plan.  This was for NZ Sport fishing Council, pre-LegaSea.

A major sticking point was allowing some retention of striped marlin for commercial fishers. This was to addressed by seperate meetings after the Minister signed of the fish plan.

Meetings were in early 2013. There was still no agreement on sale of striped marlin.  MPI were going to write an options paper for the Minister. One option was to introduce Striped Marlin to the Quota management system.

Within 2 days LegaSea launched the HANDS OFF OUR MARLIN campaign. An alert went out to LegaSea supporters who could email a message to the Minister, their MP the PM and other MPs.  Over 8,000 people sent emails and by the end of the week the Minister had been briefed and decided that marlin would remain an non-commercial species.  
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That makes them even smaller again. What sort of fish would be in the workups under the bridge in winter.
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Originally posted by NumnuT_AUS NumnuT_AUS wrote:

65 CM x 5 fish
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65 cm means my released undersize fish of about 72-73 cm was 7-8 cm over legal in N.S.W.
The size discrimination between recs and comms out here is a total rort.

About time the human rights crowd got onto MPI for blatent discrimination.

Saw a work up under the sydney harbour bridge last june. It wasnt just a little work either,it was the real thing.

Wont be long before Kiwis are heading to N.S.W for fishing.
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Thanks for clarifying that Tzer. I quoted from a topic i found on google. Was either option4 or Legasea.
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:



Kingfish. Introduced into Quota Management system in 2003.

Tacc has been exceeded every year since. Quoted by either option 4 or legasea.
Now if we recs exceeded our allowed take even once there would be big trouble for the boat concerned.
Further more comm size is 650cm,rec size 750 cm.



Dont believe everything you read quoted.
Year 2005 - 2011 TACC was under caught by as much as 20% only years 2012 & 2013 was TACC over caught even then only by 8-13%, don't have data for recent years so can't comment.
It would be interesting to know what the rec take was for kingfish in those same years

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How much say-un yeah.LOL

Kingfish. Introduced into Quota Management system in 2003.

Tacc has been exceeded every year since. Quoted by either option 4 or legasea. Now if we recs exceeded our allowed take even once there would be big trouble for the boat concerned.
Further more comm size is 650cm,rec size 750 cm.

Isnt it about time this blatent discrimination against recs was taken to task. I released a kingi a bit over 70cm the other day. It looked like ,and was a big fish.
Same with snapper size 25cm versus 30cm.
Certain these decisions are worked out well in advance,meetings ,seminars and psychologists  on the job.
Aim is to discourage recs from fishing. So many now release 29.5 cm snapper and come home with zero at certain times of the year.
Pretty discouraging ,and not very exciting doing that as i have seen and been told. Many are finding better ways to spend time.
Last wednesday had the entire Rangi channel to my self between 5& 8 PM. Only about 5-6 other boats between the light and over the wormbeds. Have never seen so few boats,especially in the holiday season,and this seems to becoming the norm.For my efforts -2 snapper between 32 & 36 cm. And one trevelly released ,because trevs are rare in that area.Know this is a hard time of year ,but that was worst i have seen.
Plenty of issues need ironing out before we even think about a licence.

BTW Craig. What is legal Kingi size in N.S.W
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Originally posted by NumnuT_AUS NumnuT_AUS wrote:

Originally posted by Clutch Clutch wrote:

I actually like Australia but they should have no impact or say on our fishery.

How much of a say do you have in your fishery?

Well you should have no say in MY fishery.
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How about a tourist fishing fee?
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Originally posted by NumnuT_AUS NumnuT_AUS wrote:

Originally posted by Clutch Clutch wrote:

I actually like Australia but they should have no impact or say on our fishery.

How much of a say do you have in your fishery?

LOL 

Remember Clutch those pesky Aussies can come here and catch our fish for free. You can't over there LOL

I am a Pom so probably should have no say either. 
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Originally posted by Clutch Clutch wrote:

I actually like Australia but they should have no impact or say on our fishery.

How much of a say do you have in your fishery?
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If you follow Australian fishing both countries claim world leading technology fisheries,both are in the same boat,less stock.But what I have read WA is proberly worst than ours. So hopefully we can learn from their mistakes.at least we can still take 7 snapper in sna1 unlike WA where 2 or 3 is the limit with min/max sizes
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Originally posted by Fish Addict Fish Addict wrote:

Originally posted by NumnuT_AUS NumnuT_AUS wrote:

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I wouldn't be so dismissive of what licensing can do based upon the population of NZ. The population of WA is considerably less then NZ (2.6M vs 4.6M) and the general consensus from anglers over here is that they are quite satisfied with what has been able to be achieved with the revenue raised from licences.   


You cannot compare total population numbers with licence paying fishos.

I reckon there would easily be more saltwater fishing licence paying people in WA, than there would be in ALL of NZ. 

Was it around 900,000 regular fishos in NZ?

Minus all Maori - how many ?
minus pensioners - how many ?
those that just wont pay - how many ?

doesn't leave too many fisherpeople to fill the coffers does it.

I am very happy with what I have seen my fishing licence fees go towards.

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Had you read the posts a few pages back you would have seen that the WA Dept of Fisheries reported that 170,094 licences were purchased during the 2014 / 2015 year. That number of licences represents less than 4% of the population of NZ. Seems doable to me.

Happy to be corrected, thanks - too lazy to google sorry.

If fishing licenses were brought into NZ, how many would be purchased & how many would be exempt?

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Originally posted by Fish Addict Fish Addict wrote:

Originally posted by Clutch Clutch wrote:

Seriously why are so many Australians commenting on our fishery?


I was born and breed in NZ and spent the first 30 years of my life there. I want to make sure that when I return on holidays there are some fish left.
You deserted...I care not if you catch fish here.
I actually like Australia but they should have no impact or say on our fishery.
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Originally posted by Clutch Clutch wrote:

Seriously why are so many Australians commenting on our fishery?


I was born and breed in NZ and spent the first 30 years of my life there. I want to make sure that when I return on holidays there are some fish left.
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Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

Originally posted by Clutch Clutch wrote:

Seriously why are so many Australians commenting on our fishery?

I think it is great that way we may learn from their mistakes and also how its is effected their fishing areas, pros/cons, advantages/disadvantages, comms pushed out, environmental monitoring, bureaucratic regulations and much more.

I personally cannot stand the idea for NZ but if it is inevitable then best we learn from those doing it and not re-invent the wheel and make it square! ... Just my ten centsOuch
We should be using common sense. I couldn't care lees what Australians have done.
Get commercial fisherman out of the Hauraki Gulf. ##ck Australia.
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Originally posted by NumnuT_AUS NumnuT_AUS wrote:

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I wouldn't be so dismissive of what licensing can do based upon the population of NZ. The population of WA is considerably less then NZ (2.6M vs 4.6M) and the general consensus from anglers over here is that they are quite satisfied with what has been able to be achieved with the revenue raised from licences.   


You cannot compare total population numbers with licence paying fishos.

I reckon there would easily be more saltwater fishing licence paying people in WA, than there would be in ALL of NZ. 

Was it around 900,000 regular fishos in NZ?

Minus all Maori - how many ?
minus pensioners - how many ?
those that just wont pay - how many ?

doesn't leave too many fisherpeople to fill the coffers does it.

I am very happy with what I have seen my fishing licence fees go towards.

Craig



Had you read the posts a few pages back you would have seen that the WA Dept of Fisheries reported that 170,094 licences were purchased during the 2014 / 2015 year. That number of licences represents less than 4% of the population of NZ. Seems doable to me.
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