CIRCLE HOOKS ONLY?

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havn't been on fish.net much recently so appologies if this topic has already been thrashed. Attended a Tony Orton seminar at Whakatane sport fishing club on thursday. Excellent speaker very good at posing thought provoking scenarios and leaving the whys and hows upto the thinking anglers so thanks Tony,Bea and sammy for the evening. One statement though came as quite a shock to many of us so just looking for confirmation" all fish to oualify as a NZ record must be caught on a circle hook from now on? true or false? cheers.
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True from what i have heard but that same fish can be a WR but not a NZ record.  Seems a bit crazy.
Also must be inline circle hook not offset
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Next question..

Also must be inline circle hook not offset

What is the difference?


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Big discussion going on here. Views very much divided with some questioning their own club delegate's on how they voted as some didn't even know this was put forward as a remit at recent NZSFC AGM. I would even go as far to say that our delegate didn't have a clue and just voted with the masses.


http://www.facebook.com/groups/nzbiggamefishing/permalink/1698306050211037/?comment_id=1702393166468992&notif_id=1507410006525349&notif_t=group_comment_reply
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Our club proposed allowing J hooks for light tackle, but only got supported by a couple of clubs so it was voted down.
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

Next question..

Also must be inline circle hook not offset

What is the difference?


inline is straight so point,barb and curve are directly inline with shank and eye. offsets the point and barb curve out to one side at an angle so more likely to still gut hook a fish whereas the inline should slide up to the corner of the mouth before grabbing a hold.
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Originally posted by Tzer Tzer wrote:

Big discussion going on here. Views very much divided with some questioning their own club delegate's on how they voted as some didn't even know this was put forward as a remit at recent NZSFC AGM. I would even go as far to say that our delegate didn't have a clue and just voted with the masses.


http://www.facebook.com/groups/nzbiggamefishing/permalink/1698306050211037/?comment_id=1702393166468992&notif_id=1507410006525349&notif_t=group_comment_reply
thanks for the link craigThumbs Up. cleared up my confusion,tony kinda just stated or we in our hydrated state heard that ' ALL nz record fish must be on inline circles' but obviously its only billfish and only when using bait! Thats fine by me, throw in all bait caught fish if you ask me why should the beak faces get special treatment?Dont kingies need love too?
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I for one aren't ready for this yet as still practicing and don't get enough days in per season to go full circle. Fn great for all those that do/have, but have some thought for the average club member that spends the bulk of their limited days trolling lures. I wish we could have had some notice so club members could have had discussions and the opportunity to advise the delegates how they wished him to vote. Bit sneaky and why? As far as I can gather the individual clubs can, if they wish, not apply the new ""rule"". You'd think like braid yes/no the NZSFC would stay aligned to IGFA. This is just going to cause lots of issues. Just for example say I caught a world record on a J hooked bait that my club still allows and wanted a cutesy weigh at a club that has gone all inline circles (bait). Would they weigh it? Would they give me a catch record? Would I be made to feel inferior/cheater? They certainly couldn't include it on their catch board. Would I have issues getting my capture IGFA recognised?
I might have been happy to go circles if that was the wish of the club members, but is it? I can see why lots of anglers no longer bother with the clubs. It's a shame as this will turn even more away and certainly wont be encouraging new members. 
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Originally posted by krow krow wrote:

I for one aren't ready for this yet as still practicing and don't get enough days in per season to go full circle. Fn great for all those that do/have, but have some thought for the average club member that spends the bulk of their limited days trolling lures. I wish we could have had some notice so club members could have had discussions and the opportunity to advise the delegates how they wished him to vote. Bit sneaky and why? As far as I can gather the individual clubs can, if they wish, not apply the new ""rule"". You'd think like braid yes/no the NZSFC would stay aligned to IGFA. This is just going to cause lots of issues. Just for example say I caught a world record on a J hooked bait that my club still allows and wanted a cutesy weigh at a club that has gone all inline circles (bait). Would they weigh it? Would they give me a catch record? Would I be made to feel inferior/cheater? They certainly couldn't include it on their catch board. Would I have issues getting my capture IGFA recognised?
I might have been happy to go circles if that was the wish of the club members, but is it? I can see why lots of anglers no longer bother with the clubs. It's a shame as this will turn even more away and certainly wont be encouraging new members. 

Feel your pain mate, sadly this underlines and ongoing issue where club secretaries aren't forwarding stuff that their membership needs to know. It's a repeat of the Tag pole length debate that has gone on for the last 3 years. 

Remits that are to be voted on at the AGM are forwarded to club secretaries 60 days prior to the NZSFC AGM. This gives enough time for clubs and their members to discuss the remits and then for the club delegates to discuss at zone meetings and then the votes at the AGM can be more meaningful.

One would have thought after the tag pole length has been changed 3 times in the last 3 years by 3 separate remits, people may have been asking their secretaries and committees what's going on, but sadly no.

If nothing else happens out of this situation, you all need to start asking your club secretaries why aren't they forwarding you this stuff, rather than leaving you all feeling completely blindsided by stuff you don't agree with.

Your club and others, can still choose to recognise Billfish caught with livebaits and J hooks, they just won't be eligible for NZSFC Awards, Trophies and records. I'd be surprised if anybody would refuse to courtesy weigh a Billfish caught with a J hook.
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IGFA rules should govern our fishing.
Not some local idiot stuff.
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Just googled it. Interesting. This design would likely increase the lure action?
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Originally posted by krow krow wrote:

Just googled it. Interesting. This design would likely increase the lure action?

You only need circle hooks when fishing live or dead baits for billfish.

You can still use J hooks on your lures, there's no change there.
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Thanks for clearing that up BFB.Business as usual then.
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Originally posted by White snake White snake wrote:

Thanks for clearing that up BFB.Business as usual then.

Yep if you're towing lure and also already using circles for live baits like a lot of people are anyway.
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