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Would like to learn to tie a few saltwater flies, can anyone recommend a good book to give any pointers or where to start.
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Mate, the internet is your best friend.

Just type up the name of the pattern and there's about 200 different variations on a theme.

What specifically are you chasing and perhaps we can point you in the right direction with regards to the names of the flies.
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Cheers jaapie, some cool videos. Would like to target snap and Kings so looking for types to start with now
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I found this was a good starter, as well as lots of fly patterns has several sections on techniques, materials, etc.

https://www.bookdepository.com/Essential-Saltwater-Flies-Ed-Jaworowski/9780811734592


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Hi Ynot,
 
I asked the same question last year and this is now my go to pattern for Snaps and Kings.
It is one that Fishman invented and shared.
Excellent fly to start off with.
 
 
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I was going to say, from my reading of the forum threads, Fishman's Interceptor snapper fly seems to be the best going around. Lots of movement as it slowly drops through the water column.

From the look of your version, Fishwhisperer, it's got barred hackle feathers as a tail, kind of like a Lefty's Deceiver, with a body of layered marabou - mainly in white, but with some bright colours nearer the head?
And peacock herl at the head - a nice iridescent effect, by the looks of it - though herl can be pretty fragile (at least with trout, so probably snapper too?).

Ynot, I reckon the classics to start with looking up would include:
  • Clouser
  • Deceiver
  • and then a step up to using epoxy, something like a Surf Candy.
I enjoyed reading Making Better Flies by Lou Tabory, which I got out of the library in Auckland. You can request it, if you are in the library system.
It's an excellent book - rather than just patterns (though there is that stuff), there's excellent analysis fly design, movement, the latest materials, colours in the water versus out, etc.
It's up to date with synthetic materials which you can also find online. The problem with older books is that the materials used often don't reflect what's available now.

Also, keep an eye out for copies of the Aussie magazine Flylife. You should be able to find some second hand. Some great salt water patterns and advice in every issue.

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Yeah, that was one of my old creations TK. I was just getting creative. Added some hen hackle feathers in the tail and some peacock herl fibres.

As you kind-of pointed out, the Interceptor doesn't need the hen hackle feathers at the back - pure marabou tail works best. White at back, yellow or hot orange up front. Add plastic hair fibres and flashabou to taste.

Peacock herl doesn't last very long in a fishing situation so I don't bother with it these days and the dumbbell eyes on that fly above look to be a little on the small side. For a fly that big I would recommend XL dumbbell eyes. You want a good vertical sink rate and you need to counteract the flotation potential of all that marabou.

Fish the Interceptor on the drop. Don't restrict its fall. Needs to fall naturally and not be influenced by the pull of the line. Retrieve a bit after it has been hovering near the bottom for a few moments then allow to sink again. Snapper candy.

Hope this helps.
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There you go, Ynot, straight from the guru's keyboard.

FishMan, interesting to see the 'skute' "flies" all over the latest Big Angry Fish show last night. I remember asking you about them last year, in terms of colours etc. 

The latest used on the show look similar to your early model Interceptor above, with a very long Deceiver-style tail, a bit of long flash topping the same length, and rabbit strips/marabou tied in each side of the head.

After watching him nail some big snapper in recent episodes, people keep asking Nathan for the pattern and tying method via Facebook, and he's deflecting - basically just saying he throws a bunch of material on a 1/2 oz jighead and away he goes.
There is a bit more of a method to the tying I'm sure. But ultimately, it's a long lure with plenty of inherent movement at the front - and colour is just what he feels like at the time with the materials he has to hand. Red and orange at the head seems to be a preference.
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Sounds again like a good fly case of plenty of 'colour and movement'.

Snapper will of course eat a whole lot of different flies. Matto uses natural 'critter bug' type patterns and does really well.

I think it's more a case of getting confident with something and then using it with confidence.
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Cheers guys, bit to digest here. Looking to tie onto jig heads and have a play.
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