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Hey Chris, how does the high speed in F30 size go for jigging? Compared to JM in 4.0
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Hi Chris

I'm looking at either a Rage or Hybrid to fish PE2 for slow pitch, I like the idea of the thumb release on the hybrid.
This be suitable for light jigging and softies?

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Originally posted by Marknado4000 Marknado4000 wrote:

Hey Chris, how does the high speed in F30 size go for jigging? Compared to JM in 4.0

The F30 comes in 2 speeds -  5.3:1 for 82cm/crank or high speed 6.2:1 for 96cm/crank.  
I'm unsure which JM reel you are referring but I'm assuming it would be for the equivalent sized JM reel.   If that was the case, the F30 in either form would be faster than the JM. 
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Originally posted by ancient mariner ancient mariner wrote:

Hi Chris

I'm looking at either a Rage or Hybrid to fish PE2 for slow pitch, I like the idea of the thumb release on the hybrid.
This be suitable for light jigging and softies?

Need to be LH

AM, the Rage has been developed as a specialist Slow Pitch reel unlike the Hybrid which is more a multi-purpose reel.  The Rage is has a dual drag lever with a mild cam to allow micro drag adjustments and can fish as light as PE0.6.  Both reels would be suitable for light jigging and softies as they both have magnetic cast control.  I just landed the Hybrids today as well as 2 Left Hand Rage, so get in quickly because they won't last.  Have your local tackle store contact BCS Enterprises with your interest.
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Originally posted by DenimViper DenimViper wrote:

Any in LH? 

Yep, just landed some Lefty's Tranformers today.
Ask your local tackle store to call BCS Enterprises.
The Lefty's are quite rare so won't hang around for long. 
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Originally posted by DenimViper DenimViper wrote:

i need a reel to match my Beat Propagate 603-6. Pe 3 - 4 (max )

What is RRP for Rage 25 in Black ? What is the drag output? 

The Rage has limited spool capacity and more suited to typical Slow Pitch braid sizes PE0.6-2.  I'd suggest the Transformer F30CH (L - LH) which takes approx 350m PE3.  If you wanted PE4 braid, then the F50CH might be better.  All reels are "narrow" spool.

RRP Rage 25L and F30CHL is approx $750.  
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Originally posted by ChrisW ChrisW wrote:

Originally posted by Marknado4000 Marknado4000 wrote:

Hey Chris, how does the high speed in F30 size go for jigging? Compared to JM in 4.0

The F30 comes in 2 speeds -  5.3:1 for 82cm/crank or high speed 6.2:1 for 96cm/crank.  
I'm unsure which JM reel you are referring but I'm assuming it would be for the equivalent sized JM reel.   If that was the case, the F30 in either form would be faster than the JM. 

Are you bringing in the 5.3:1 ? in an earlier post you said only the F30CH?

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Originally posted by Marknado4000 Marknado4000 wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisW ChrisW wrote:

Originally posted by Marknado4000 Marknado4000 wrote:

Hey Chris, how does the high speed in F30 size go for jigging? Compared to JM in 4.0

The F30 comes in 2 speeds -  5.3:1 for 82cm/crank or high speed 6.2:1 for 96cm/crank.  
I'm unsure which JM reel you are referring but I'm assuming it would be for the equivalent sized JM reel.   If that was the case, the F30 in either form would be faster than the JM. 

Are you bringing in the 5.3:1 ? in an earlier post you said only the F30CH?

Cheers

I stocking only the 6.2:1 reel but can bring in the 5.3:1 as a special order.  All my research has shown that the higher gears for such a little reel is what most anglers want.   
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Hi Chris, what are the advantages/disadvantages of going high or low speed in your range F50/60/70? Is there a particular reason you would choose one over the other based on depth or what you are trying to achieve?

Looking at a jigging set for shallow water up to 70 meters, and one for deeper 70 meters plus. 


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most jig-munching predators will take jigs at any speed but some can be really turned on with the higher speed.   High speed is determined by several factors - a larger diameter spool will return more line than a smaller diameter for 1 spool revolution.   Gear ratio is the other factor, a higher gear ratio means the spool will rotate more than a smaller ratio for 1 handle turn. More revolutions per handle turn results in more line returned. The last factor is hand speed - turning the handle faster means more line is returned over time.

You probably knew all this....

my choice of gear ratio rests simply on spool diameter. The smaller size reels - F50, 60 are all high speed. The F70 spool diameter is quite large so I went with the low speed.   Stores I have spoken to have advised me to also carry the F70 in the high gear so I have these in stock too.

For your scenario, I would still opt for the high speed F50, 60 and lower speed F70.

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Hi Chris, is the Sealion OSLO6 basically a snapper reel? Also, do you know what price these will be at approx? Cheers
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Originally posted by jackel jackel wrote:

Hi Chris, is the Sealion OSLO6 basically a snapper reel? Also, do you know what price these will be at approx? Cheers


The OSL06 has been discontinued. All new Sea Lions now are Dual Drag.   The 06 size would approximate to a large snapper reel so I suppose a single drag version would make for a great snapper reel.
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Originally posted by ChrisW ChrisW wrote:

most jig-munching predators will take jigs at any speed but some can be really turned on with the higher speed.   High speed is determined by several factors - a larger diameter spool will return more line than a smaller diameter for 1 spool revolution.   Gear ratio is the other factor, a higher gear ratio means the spool will rotate more than a smaller ratio for 1 handle turn. More revolutions per handle turn results in more line returned. The last factor is hand speed - turning the handle faster means more line is returned over time.

You probably knew all this....

my choice of gear ratio rests simply on spool diameter. The smaller size reels - F50, 60 are all high speed. The F70 spool diameter is quite large so I went with the low speed.   Stores I have spoken to have advised me to also carry the F70 in the high gear so I have these in stock too.

For your scenario, I would still opt for the high speed F50, 60 and lower speed F70.


Interesting, my theory was that it may be better to use high speed in deeper water (100 meter plus) for the practical reason of a quicker retrieve for reset. Easier on the angler on a long deep day of jigging!

Low speed for the shallow water as you would want the power of the lower gearing in the shallow water (often less buffer with the shallow water than deep on a big fish), and given relative shallow depth there is not much effort in retrieving even with the lower gearing. 

Ive previously only used low speed gear rations before, but liked the idea of a high speed gearing for the deeper water. My theory may be completely wrong though! 


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Originally posted by No Major No Major wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisW ChrisW wrote:

most jig-munching predators will take jigs at any speed but some can be really turned on with the higher speed.   High speed is determined by several factors - a larger diameter spool will return more line than a smaller diameter for 1 spool revolution.   Gear ratio is the other factor, a higher gear ratio means the spool will rotate more than a smaller ratio for 1 handle turn. More revolutions per handle turn results in more line returned. The last factor is hand speed - turning the handle faster means more line is returned over time.

You probably knew all this....

my choice of gear ratio rests simply on spool diameter. The smaller size reels - F50, 60 are all high speed. The F70 spool diameter is quite large so I went with the low speed.   Stores I have spoken to have advised me to also carry the F70 in the high gear so I have these in stock too.

For your scenario, I would still opt for the high speed F50, 60 and lower speed F70.


Interesting, my theory was that it may be better to use high speed in deeper water (100 meter plus) for the practical reason of a quicker retrieve for reset. Easier on the angler on a long deep day of jigging!

Low speed for the shallow water as you would want the power of the lower gearing in the shallow water (often less buffer with the shallow water than deep on a big fish), and given relative shallow depth there is not much effort in retrieving even with the lower gearing. 

Ive previously only used low speed gear rations before, but liked the idea of a high speed gearing for the deeper water. My theory may be completely wrong though! 



no, completely opposite!

Imagine walking along a flat road.  You can take long strides and cover the distance quickly without too much effort.  This is the same as a high geared reel in shallow water.

Now walk up a steep hill with long strides.... you will find this difficult.   You need to reduce your stride length in order to counter the added resistance due to the steep hill.  This compares to a high geared reel in deep water. 

The difference is the steepness of the road or increasing water depth.  Water pressure increases with depth and effectively adds increasing resistance on the jig moving through the water.   Deep water = steep road = more resistance.    Reducing your stride length is the same as reducing gear ratio to help overcome this resistance.  

If you are built like a Oracle grinder, a high geared reel might be good for you under any circumstances.   High speed jigging definitely has its advantages in enticing a bite from picky predators.
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Well explained Chris! I had not factored in the increases in water pressure relative to depth, but it makes sense. 

It would seem the oracle grinders could have done with some high gear deep water jigging for strength conditioning training! Or perhaps just taken up cycling ;) I don't mind a workout if it is going to give me an edge in catching 'the' fish, so maybe high gear it is for me.

Thanks again Chris
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Originally posted by No Major No Major wrote:

Well explained Chris! I had not factored in the increases in water pressure relative to depth, but it makes sense. 

It would seem the oracle grinders could have done with some high gear deep water jigging for strength conditioning training! Or perhaps just taken up cycling ;) I don't mind a workout if it is going to give me an edge in catching 'the' fish, so maybe high gear it is for me.

Thanks again Chris

Don't forget that the high gears will work against you when you have that big fish on the other end.
Sometimes it is better to have good MJ technique that enables you to turn the handle faster :)
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