I think we can only support and guide when they are this stubborn and not let them get into dodgy situations or overdo it.

On a similar topic I'm still looking for a 5mm 2 piece for him to use - would love to buy new but I know it wouldn't last any time at all.  Any suggestions on a 'budget' solution?

On a different note I spent many days, many weekends, many weeks .... getting him to shoot all the little stuff. Banded wrasse, Herrings, Spotties, blue cod. As he got better I migrated him to butterfish and moki. Then paua and kahawai. Then butterfly perch, monk fish, and terakihi. As he got better I eventually allowed him to watch me shoot kingis. I made him watch me shoot and play them many times before I allowed him to shoot and play one himself. I figure that its important to build them up from small to big as each step is a big thrill for them, and they appreciate the bigger fish more if they've done the yards on the littlies first.

This is the only thing holding my daughter back from joining me in the water ... 3mm is a little too uncomfortable down here for her ... was thinking the wettie 3mm suit with a 2/3mm jacket over top perhaps - was planning on ringing wettie when i had some funds for this in March (in time for her birthday)