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    Posted: 24 Feb 2014 at 4:53pm
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After reading several threads on this subject I'm almost afraid to ask this, but here goes.  Due to the arrival of a new (to me) stickbait rod it's time to dust off my lures and get out on the water and throw them around a bit.  As it is currently set up the leader (100lb Mono) is attached to a swivel, which connects to the stickbait with a split ring.  I'm not really very happy with uni knots in line this thick, I don't really seem to be able to get them to look very neat.  Is there a better knot to use?
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Uni knots in 100 pound line= No problem...should look good........use plenty of spit and form the uni up the line.....pull it up a bit tight to form knot up the line(use your thumb and finger to stop the knot sliding down as per pic) but not so tight that its hard to slip down.......then more spit........i can tie unis in 200 pound line that way without any probs..........I use 5 turn for light ...4 turn for medium and 3 turn for 200+......so imho 4 turn for 100...you are right to fuss over the knot.....make sure you are happy with its form.....practise and you will be happyWink.....you can hold the knot between thumb and finger and pull end of line with other hand and that can help it form too(ie you trap the knot)......make sure it looks good before you pull down and then it will sure up even more when you do your final pull...so to speakLOL
personally i prefer a Nt 1/0 swivel connected to a 9 or 10mm split ring.

pull knot up slowly with spit....so you dont burn the line.

There is a big gap on this split ring(so needs changing and the thimble is not necessary) swivel has smooth surface.

When tied properly the uni is a bloody good knot..hasnt failed me yet..Just re-tie after any good fish...Hope this is of some helpWink


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Thanks, I think I'm trying to put too many turns on -will try to tie it further up and slide down as well.
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Hi Kevin,

Good advice from laidbackdood.

All the best!
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Carl of Epic Charters uses a 4 turn uniknot too Kevin.
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Originally posted by Kevin.S Kevin.S wrote:

Thanks, I think I'm trying to put too many turns on -will try to tie it further up and slide down as well.
Hope it works for you.....a good thing to practise, when its blowing outside and the All Blacks arent playing!.....let us know how it goesWink
This is one knot you should learn to tie blindfolded even.......Many a time used this....fishing off the bricks at night for me(no light/by feel).......Never really tied anything else.Big smile
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I use a trilene knot for leaders smaller than 80lb, and an improved clinch knot with knot sleeve for heavier leaders (four turns). I find these knots simple and quick to tie, and am happy with the strength.
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I don't like the idea of a uni on one of those lumo thimbles. Under extreme pressure the mono will slice through it and pull down really hard on itself, burning the line as it slides.
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Originally posted by mozz mozz wrote:

I don't like the idea of a uni on one of those lumo thimbles. Under extreme pressure the mono will slice through it and pull down really hard on itself, burning the line as it slides.
Really? I have been using them for years for jigging and have never had a failure...............anyone else had the above happen?.............By extreme pressure ...what drag you talking? or are you talking game fishing?Wink
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Originally posted by laidbackdood laidbackdood wrote:

Originally posted by mozz mozz wrote:

I don't like the idea of a uni on one of those lumo thimbles. Under extreme pressure the mono will slice through it and pull down really hard on itself, burning the line as it slides.
Really? I have been using them for years for jigging and have never had a failure...............anyone else had the above happen?.............By extreme pressure ...what drag you talking? or are you talking game fishing?Wink


Mozz is correct, they can and do break those plastic thimbles or distort them, if using thimbles i  use crimpsWink
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Yep even the jigstar grommets will cut through a uni under load. Bad with those square edges on them. The uni allways wants to slip up tighter. Uni on a solid ring is good however and an easy knot to tie super quickly. I use it to tie most hook and swivel connections. The TN knot is harder to tie but man its strong! Check it out on utube.
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Do you guys ever use crimps rather than a knot? Would crimps be too temperamental on 100lb with not enough room for error?
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Do you guys ever use crimps rather than a knot? Would crimps be too temperamental on 100lb with not enough room for error?


as above smudge, i use crimps quite often but wouldnt do so to attach to a popper.

The main problem with a uni is that they keep on pulling tighter and if any imperfection in wire that you are tying too(ie not round, too small wire,burr in wire) can and will break the uni from the inside.
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Game crimping is seriously strong connection and ive never had one break. Never used it for topwater but have had great success on jigs. Just make sure you get the correct size for your leader. Very reliable, if they land huge marlin with them so im sure they can handle anything else.
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Here's the way I  crimp them -
       
 
                    
 
 had one fail once when I'd landed maybe 20 kingis without changing the crimp , bit lazy but it was a hot bite . Thats a 1.0 mm crimp with 130  lb Prosele leader .
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Rory,  no right and wrong way, some are just better than othersLOL

personally i wouldnt trust that on kingfish but that is me. I would use knot sleeve and go around popper ring twice and then crimp(make sure leader does not cross over itself) and no need for knot at tag end, just burn the end of mono to make a lump.

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Having landed quite a few hundred kingfish on it Im' happy with it . I believe it was Mogi who showed me that method ,still what would he know ? Didn't take long for someone to knock it . Really don't know why I bothered.
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Been using a nail knot to a solid ring,then adding a split ring so I can change lures quickly.Have found this knot tightens up neatly even when using up to 250lb leader when GT fishing.Never had it fail yet.
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Sorry poster....this is a bit off topic but So either knot sleeve or some plastic tubing would be good for a uni for jigging right?...........I wouldnt want to tie a uni bare to an owner 9mm solid ring...thats for sure.
How about a chain knot in mono? I would have thought the stretch of mono would act like a bungi cord quite nicely?
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