Kevin.S wrote: It wouldn't play from that link for me, but going to their home page it would play without signing up to the web site. Not had time to watch it all yet, but I've never understood why we pour hundreds of tonnes of deadly poison all over our country. I think there is a very large multimillion dollar industry built around dropping 1080, and that has more to do with it than any genuine environmental reasons. |
We do it because as a country we value our natural biodiversity, and TB free herds. 1080 is simply the most cost effective, relatively humane, relatively safe while minimizing bi kill. There are other options, same might be better in certain areas but across all factors 1080 is the best option.
ThomasW wrote:
We do it because as a country we value our natural biodiversity, and TB free herds. 1080 is simply the most cost effective, relatively humane, relatively safe while minimizing bi kill. There are other options, same might be better in certain areas but across all factors 1080 is the best option. |
We've killed more native birds with TB than with any other 'control method'. 1080 is only cost effective because the economy around harvesting possums for skin and pet food doesn't factor in to the equation, not when a few individuals stand to make huge dollars on pushing the crap.
I take it you've never been into a bush block after a drop - death decay and no birdsong is typical.
The funny thing, is if the argument is for controlling 1080 why does 1080 not target stoats ferrets and cats (which typically hunt live animals - not really known for scavenging...).
When you look at the scientific argument for and against carpet bombing 1080, it's a very one-sided argument. This poison is only approved in 98% of the planet for use in warehouse situations, where every unused bait and every carcass can be recovered and destroyed. You air-drop it, and you have no control over by kill and unintentional delivery vectors - none 0 period. Not good at all... |
No species of native birds have become extinct after 1080 use begun, we lost 57 species of birds prior to the use of 1080.
Known Kea killed by bounty 150,000 , Recorded number of Kea shot after protection 35 , recorded number killed by 1080 drops 14 .... Using this logic guns should be banned because they have killed a lot more Kea then 1080 ever would.
Cyanide has killed significant number of kiwis, and people...
Its well documented that harvesting possums for skin and pet food does not provide a high enough kill rate to properly protect native biodiversity and improve breeding success. In most cases possum numbers are only reduced by 50%.
1080 does kill stoats, cats and ferrets.... In one monitored area ( small mammal indexing) stoat numbers went from 48% down to 0% after application.
Yes look at the scientific argument and you would know that 1080 is a poison which is more lethal towards mammals and less lethal towards birds... These only one country on earth with a very low number of native mammals. If other countries had no native mammals then 1080 use as a conservation tool would be higher.
One of the main problems the anti 1080 conspiracy faces is a lack of evidence, they have guys walking through the bush with video cameras but so far they have failed to document the large number of native birds which they claim are killed after a drop. If numbers are as high as they claimed, they would have footage of it by now.
With regards to costs, "A recent 1080 operation covering 30,000 ha in the Cascade South Westland, put the cost at $17 per hectare and the equivalent ground control at $48 per hectare - a saving of $900,000"
Built_to_fish wrote: If you was not a volunteer, would you still be saying the same thing? when the 1080 is applied correctly? so dropping it from a heli all over the place is not correct then? Should it be applied by volunteers then?. how many do you need to cover most of fiordland national park ...or any Forrest in nz? 50 200? People working for free week in week out for a few months or a few weeks of the year. how often do you maintain a poison trap line? a week a month then move on to the next ridge. how do you feed your family pay bills. how many lines do you lay 20 50 200 and how many of these lines are traps? compared to poison lines. we all know poison lines can go for ages on tube of cyanide, But don't forget you have 6 poisons 1080, phosphorus, cholecalciferol, cyanide, brodifacoum, or pindone. how much can you carry when laying lines of traps how far do they go? and how much traps can you carry? |
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