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LegaSea has been working on a list of questions that people can ask of their local candidate.  Also some policy ideas of our own.  It looks like when they all come out there will be some very different fisheries policies to choose from.
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Yes, fisheries management and New Zealand First. 
I like that old concept of Govt of the people, by the people for the people, not the current new world order govt by people who use their position to feather their own nests and who have their own agendas. 
The rape of our oceans must be stopped
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Originally posted by Mejiro Mejiro wrote:

Yes, fisheries management and New Zealand First. 
I like that old concept of Govt of the people, by the people for the people, not the current new world order govt by people who use their position to feather their own nests and who have their own agendas. 
The rape of our oceans must be stopped


We have not had a Government truly for the people since the introduction of Rogernomics and the free market deregulated economy after which the country was asset stripped and privatized.. Every Government that followed has been captured by big business interests. Many of the big business lobbyists have their own swipe card for access to the Beehive and the ear of the relevant minister.
Fisheries included.
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www.legasea.co.nz/our-cra2-fishery

What can you do? Tell your local MP and Minister for Primary Industries, Nathan Guy what you think about the mismanagement of our fisheries.


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There is power in numbers. You are not alone. Your message reinforces a growing public concern about the overall health of our marine environment. Thank you for taking the time to express your concerns to Minister for Primary Industries, Nathan Guy and your local MP.

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no doubt standard reply

Thanks for your email on the CRA2 fishery.

 

I’m very aware of concerns expressed by locals over the availability of crayfish in this area. I’ve listened closely to local feedback which is why I’ve asked MPI to bring forward a scientific survey to later this year to take a good look at the state of the fishery.

 

This is an important step because we need to have good objective science behind any decisions we make.

 

It’s also why in 2014 I reduced the commercial limits in CRA2 by 15 per cent and the commercial industry has voluntarily further reduced their catch.

 

More details will be coming out later this year on the survey, and community engagement with local fishers will be an important part of this. I encourage everyone to have their say because this is an important shared fishery for recreational, customary and commercial fishers.

 

In terms of an inquiry, we already have a major programme of work underway called “Future of our Fisheries”. This was announced in August 2015 with the aim of improving the long term sustainable benefits of our fisheries for all New Zealanders.

 

As part of this, late last year a discussion document was released with a range of ideas and proposals for how to achieve this. Public meetings were held around the country and we received a wide range of submissions and feedback. You can read more about this at http://www.mpi.govt.nz/law-and-policy/legal-overviews/fisheries/future-of-our-fisheries/

 

The first major step in the programme is digital monitoring of commercial fishing– including cameras on every vessel. This is being rolled out from 1 October this year and will give us arguably the most transparent and accountable commercial fishery anywhere in the world.

 

MPI is also making changes to regulations to allow the use of innovative new trawl technologies on commercial fishing boats. These new nets have less impact on the environment, and can reduce by-catch of undersized fish, seabirds, and mammals.

 

In this year’s Budget I announced a funding boost of $30.5 million to support this work and upgrade and modernise the fisheries management system.

 

This will support more detailed scientific research to improve our knowledge of the marine environment and help develop new information about the state of our fisheries.

 

Overall we have a strong system of fisheries management that has been recognised around the world, but at the same time we need to be constantly making improvements and adopting new technology.

 

Thanks for your feedback and please keep an eye out for news coming later this year about the CRA2 scientific survey.

 

Regards

 

Nathan Guy

Minister for Primary Industries

 

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"Overall we have a strong system of fisheries management that has been recognised around the world, but at the same time we need to be constantly making improvements and adopting new technology".

I may be showing my ignorance here. Just how many countries have implemented and followed our strong and recognised fisheries mangement system?
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Can't think of anyone who has followed our 'world leading' QMS....
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Dont need a QMS. After all everything outhere is sustainable . We are told that constantly so we never forget. Just like on Ocean Bounty.
Yes that would be standard reply Paul. He uses the word sustainable--total giveaway.
Also uses the word shared fishery. Even though we have different size limits . The them and us concept. Pity it has come to that.
So like all fisheries there is wait until it gets into trouble and then maybe do something. We can never be too careful. Remember pulling up crays on lines on a regular basis while fishing for other species. Not anymore.
This sounds familiar . Another time ,another place.
In the New England fisheries off Rhode island it was once normal to haul in lobsters weighing 9kg,sometimes 30kg. Lobsters up to 70 years old ,it was thought.Today few lobsters weigh more than 1kg and it is estimated 90 % of them are caught within a year of reaching legal size at age 6.
Few weeks back watched Ocean Bounty on Hoki. Heard it is totally sustainable. Looked back and found that ministers such as Benson -Pope cut quota  and issued dire warnings to the fishing companies.
Other ministers followed with quota cuts. Yet we were told nothing about that on the show. Today,with big nets,big boats and big catches it is called sustainable, without question. An attitude that has permeated almost every fishery in the country. Hope it is sustainable,for it is a very valuable fishery and we need it to remain viable. But how much do we really know about the oceans or what goes on beneath the surface. Very little i would suspect.
Hoki reminds me of another fishery. Again different place ,different time.
Towards the end of the fifteenth century ,the explorer John Cabot found Cod in remarkable numbers on the shallow water banks off Americas Eastern coast. Vast areas of sea such as the
Georges banks and Grand banks. The Cod were in such numbers that Cabot reported that sailors scooped them up in baskets .
It was thought they were inexhaustible .(sustainable in our modern terms). Of course that was not the case.
By 1960 numbers of spawning cod in the North Atlantic had fallen to estimated 1.6 million tonnes. By 1990 they were down to 22,000 Tonnes. At this point ,commercially, the Cod were extinct .Mark Kurlansky in his book "Cod " wrote that Fishermen had caught them all.
In 1992 Cod fishing was stopped .  So far there has been no recovery and it is possible the fishery could be lost forever. So one cant be too careful when using the sustainable word ,as we really never know what the future holds.
And out here in N.Z if we did find our fisheries became commercially extinct (hope it never happens) ,then what.
If we wanted clean pristine wild fish it would be hard to import them ,for we are one of the last  places with abundant wild fish remaining, which is why we export much of ours.
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sustainable?to me that means able to maintain current stock levels but not increase stock levels,but in our environment(fishing)we are doing sustainable fishing in a way that the stock number stays the same but the end product is reducing in size.
Need to refer back to Dr Daniel Pauly fishing down the oceans. ie 60 yrs acceptable was a 6lber   then 30 yrs ago 3lb was acceptable today 1lb is the new normal.
current practices being sustainable think not.

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niwa.co.nz/fisheries/snapper-stock-status

This does not make good reading,its what Joe public has been saying for yrs,

World leading fisheries??yeah right,time some staff at mpi found new employment!
 



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Media Release

Calls for Commission of Inquiry into fisheries mismanagement grow

Four political parties have joined LegaSea and the New Zealand Sport Fishing Council’s call for an inquiry into the state of New Zealand’s fisheries management practices.

New Zealand First, the Māori Party, United Future and the New Zealand Outdoors Party have all agreed New Zealand’s fisheries management needs an overhaul and cannot continue the way it is currently going.

Support is also forthcoming from New Zealand’s largest iwi, Ngapuhi, and the Hokianga Accord, the mid-north iwi fisheries forum, who endorse the call for a Royal Commission of Inquiry.

Māori and Pakeha alike are concerned about collapsing stock numbers, fish dumping, and overfishing that appears to be beyond the control of the Ministry for Primary Industries........

 http://www.legasea.co.nz/qms-inquiry/calls-for-commission-of-inquiry-into-fisheries-mismanagement-grow/
 
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Is united future still a party? Why has labour not jumped on board?
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Is anyone aware that NBR are currently conducting a rec survey on behalf of MPI?
 Its a randonm household visit
 Then ask IF they are rec fishers, land based , nets, boat what ever.
Then askes who else are regular fishers in the household..
 Then randomly selects one of them for the survey and records their fish.

 The prolem with this , as I see for accurate data is where starts to randomly selects someone in the house hold who also fishers... not the main fisher.
 As example.. A household has a boat, and has 3 ppl who fish.
1/ Usually the husband.. gets out regular say every 2 to 3 weeks And always brings home a feed for his family, and other crew.. not included in the survey as they are not part of the household .
2/ The  2 other members only get out maybe 4, and 5 times per yr due to work hrs, weather windows etc
 3/ Statistically since the household person is random as to who it selects out of the 3 ppl, odd are will select one of the members who very rarely get out.
4/ Then say selects the wife.. who a day out on the water is more visiting an island, going for a swim, and she may catch a fish... yet the boat will bring home a good catch with enough left over to hand out a feed around the neighbours.

As far as I know this is a stand alone MPI rec survey to establish how and what the rec take is for Auckland.

Anyone else see the 'holes' .. forgetting to which advantage they may lean?
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One issue I have with the system which doesn't seem to get a lot of coverage , is the commercial and rec catch is measured in weight and not number of fish.
When the average weight of fish is coming down, it stands to reason you need to catch more fish to attain the same total allowable catch? Also rec size limit is bigger than com's. So again for recs to catch a ton of fish may equate to 1000 fish were as com's could take 10 -15% more fish out of the sea to get the same weight?
So it seems the more we take .,the smaller the fish become .....so we take more mmmmmm and that's world class!!!!
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hmmmm never thought about that Lucky puka. Good point.
The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb
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Excellent Moocher Hunter story and vision

Steps good question. I attend the research planning meetings for all the recreational harvest surveys on behalf of NZ Sport Fishing Council.

The National Research Bureau survey does select people who fish at random to invite onto their panel of recreational fishers. This is because they scale up the results by the NZ Census data (updated by Stats NZ). To give an unbiased answer everyone who fishes 15 years and older should have an equal probability of being selected.

There was some work done on option to select the main fishers in the household at a higher rate than others to increase the catch data selected, then reweighting that catch to the population level.  They found that it did not reduce the uncertaincy of the result because peoples estimate of how many days they fished last year was not a good estimate of how many days they would fish during the survey year.

This is a repeat of the 2011-12 survey, with an increase in the number of households approached. It was reviewed by international experts at the time and found to be very well designed and implemented. It is important not to to fiddle with the survey method, so that the results are directly comparable.

  
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Lucky Puka   Yes the size of fish kept by recreational fishers changes over time. The NRB survey collects information on the number of fish harvested.  There is also a year long Nation-wide boat ramp survey by NIWA which measures the fish caught.  A formula is used to convert length to weight for each species.

For some large fisheries like snapper and kahawai a different average weight was used for Spring/summer (Oct - April) and Autumn Winter (May-Sept) by fisheries management area.  In Area One different average weights were used for E Nothland, Hauraki Gulf and BOP for snapper and kahawai.

NIWA will also be using the boat ramp surveys in Area One and aerial counts of boats fishing to get an independent estimate of recreational harvest for the main boat based fisheries.  This will compared with the NRB panel survey estimate of boat based catch for those species.  A double check.
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Aerial survey interesting,depending on what numbers you want,you could fly over motuhe island on any summers day and count 400 vessels picnicing not fishing, but why only ramp surveys and marina based ?
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I expect that for the Hauraki Gulf the next survey will just confirm the last few that say the snapper fishery is in a sorry state and getting worse? The question is how much data do we need before making a decision to actually do something. Not much point lowering the recreational harvest much further as the majority of fishers can't catch the existing limit these days unless on a good charter boat, and they account for less than 5% of the total snapper catch anyway.
What I get frustrated with is that the fishery has obviously been declining for several years now but all we get told year after year is that we need to collect more data. I understand that there is an issue where the government must have a bullet proof scientific case before forcing any reduction in commercial catch (that's been tested in court already) but with that been a major impediment to effective fisheries management why do we constantly get told how perfect our QMS is? If I was the 'minister of fisheries' trying to properly manage a fishery for the future I would be desperate to get the QMS fixed, not constantly defend it.
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