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Phew! Thought it was just me. 

2.7 Furthermore, the appointment of Graeme Sinclair as the recreational representative on the Technical Advisory Group is similarly flawed given his clear links to commercial interests, sponsorship by Seafood New Zealand, and promotion of commercial fishing views. While we acknowledge the Minister’s authority to appoint whom he chooses, it is a stretch to contemplate anything positive arising for recreational fishing interests from this appointment. 
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I will be there ..Agree with you JW...those wolfs in sheeps clothing ...there are many to deal with
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Not sure I agree with this next bit as I think the quota owners lack of accountability is a fundamental problem. Weren't they (fishing companies)  getting away with using slaves on foreign vessels until recently? The threat of prison might have stopped them turning a blind eye while trousering the profits. Am I missing something? :

MPI - Do you think quota owners should be accountable for fishing behaviour? 

3.17 No. The landlord can never be held accountable for the tenant’s behaviour. As above, there are many drivers that influence the on the water behaviour of skippers and crews. Arguably the expectations of the Licenced Fish Receiver (LFR) and market demand has more influence than a quota shareholder unknown to the fisherman. 
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Agree JW. Market demand and resulting behaviour is often overlooked.

Talked to the manager of the fish retail department in our local supermarket,that is one of hundreds of branches belonging to that chain.
I asked if Snapper ,whole and fillets was longlined . His answer was no. All snapper is trawled as close to Auckland as possible to be fresh as possible on arrival. He said longline was too expensive and would effect the profit. Company insists on trawled snapper.

So obviously local demand has alot to do with pressure to Trawl the gulf.
Given supermarkets are always going on about ethics ,maybe they need to look at the ethic of Trawling in nursery and spawning grounds ,with profit in mind.
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Originally posted by JW JW wrote:

3.17 No. The landlord can never be held accountable for the tenant’s behaviour. 

They are obviously out of touch with the current interpretations. How many news stories have you seen lately about landlords having to pay to repair the damage done by tenants because they can't be held responsible?
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Originally posted by LegaSea Community Builder LegaSea Community Builder wrote:

Great, will start looking at dates, thinking a Friday evening maybe a good time to do this? 
Saturday Afternoon for me,12.30am start Saturday morning
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Sat morning..no traffic..not suit everyone no plan ever does..but make it easy with traffic could mean more of us turn up
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Sat morning..no traffic..not suit everyone no plan ever does..but make it easy with traffic could mean more of us turn up
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Happy to join in on Skype from sunny Tutukaka.
Depends on other commitments if I can be there in person.
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Thanks John, having you in virtual form would be good as well, will be trying to coordinate with everyone's schedules.....
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Interesting reading.

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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Agree JW. Market demand and resulting behaviour is often overlooked.

Talked to the manager of the fish retail department in our local supermarket,that is one of hundreds of branches belonging to that chain.
I asked if Snapper ,whole and fillets was longlined . His answer was no. All snapper is trawled as close to Auckland as possible to be fresh as possible on arrival. He said longline was too expensive and would effect the profit. Company insists on trawled snapper.

So obviously local demand has alot to do with pressure to Trawl the gulf.
Given supermarkets are always going on about ethics ,maybe they need to look at the ethic of Trawling in nursery and spawning grounds ,with profit in mind.
So an extra 3 or 4 hours in the ice hold if they were trawling outside the gulf would be catastrophic to the fish quality! They obviously need to buy more ice. You have to take everything you hear to justify why/where commercial trawling is done and think about what is really being said. When you ice down a couple of fish in the morning and then catch a couple more in the afternoon is there any difference in quality? Many people prefer to leave the fish iced overnight before filleting. It is of course cheaper to fish closer to the sale point so everyone makes a bit more money that way. Understandable, but not really a great reason for wrecking a fishery and wrecking the pleasure of 10's of 1000's of other people who are affected.
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I would have assumed that the damage from being crushed in a net would have far more impact on flesh quality than extra time on the ice. Far better to line catch the fish in the first place and more selective, comparatively speaking.
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The 'close to home' argument is a great one. Basically they are saying that because the commercial industry and/or the supermarkets make a few extra cents per kilo, it is a perfectly good justification for wrecking the enjoyment of 1000's who as a result will have to spend a whole heap more extra than the the industry will make on extra fuel, bait etc. Maybe we should do a study of how many import $'s we would save in fuel  if all the rec fleet could catch the fish on the traditional inshore areas instead of having to travel all over the gulf chasing the depleted stock. Might be quite a big figure I am thinking.
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Hi All, Should have a proposed date for a Sea Change meeting today or tomorrow thanks... sorry for the delay, just trying to coordinate schedules for a Sat lunch/afternoon. 
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hope not this weekend or next as both long weekends and i am away
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No, won't be either of those weekends. 
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Originally posted by LegaSea Community Builder LegaSea Community Builder wrote:

I would have assumed that the damage from being crushed in a net would have far more impact on flesh quality than extra time on the ice. Far better to line catch the fish in the first place and more selective, comparatively speaking.


Point i was making was that local economic factors,cost cutting and local competition dictate how most fish should be caught. That is trawled.

Those N.Z snapper i have seen in pristine condition in off shore markets would appear to be longline fish commanding at least twice the price.

Clearly there are several markets for N.Z snapper,dependant on consumer perception and cost,and method of catch is dictated by this.
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Kiwis obviously dont know what fresh good fish looks like...fact is is 5 days old before it hits the retailers .
The rubbish they sell is at a premium price
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The price we pay for fish, and the pressure on the costs of catching them is mainly due to our badly flawed QMS. When the guy making the most money is the guy sitting behind a desk holding part of the $4B of quota that the government gave away for free, you realise how heavily 'taxed' every kilo of fish is over and above the cost of actually harvesting and retailing it.
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