Pig -I agree. look here http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/cons/myths10.htm
DoC again trying to win public favour
Damo
"Commercial fishing, which has already ruined fish stocks in the Northern Hemisphere, is set to do the same here. "
I doubt that. I agree with his comments that MSY is not really a suitable target, but a number of our fisheries are rebuilding. The sky is in fact, not falling!! Whenever I see such an extreme extension of an argument, it is like a red flag notifying me that someone is politicking and not speaking the truth. This is just yet another person playing on the public's ignorance of fisheries management, a public that has no idea that some stocks are being rebuilt, a public that is too quick to believe that since other countries have rooted their stocks, we are doing the same.
It is disapointing to see generalisations from overseas applied to NZ, particularly with sensationalised intro paragraphs mentioning 50% reserves. I reckon that is scaremongering and most unhelpful to the cause of marine reserves.
Bloody reserve supporters
Heres the details Si
Damo
You lads have a habit of speaking your mind, and that's only fair; I've spoken mine, publically, for quite some time, and have been shot down on numerous occassions for it.
I'll put my neck on the line and vote in favour of reserves, and on a moratorium on fishing in new grounds (bottom trawling), as advocated by 1000+ pointy-headed pencil-pushing scientist types, and a swag of conservationists.
I'd like to enter into a debate, and I'm not trying to make anyone see my point of view, but I don't want to lock horns with anyone (that's futile).
What say yee?
great to have you onboard Steve...I am sure in some scenarios "we" can agree to disgaree all adult like and maybe even learn a little bit as a resource of knowledgable folk.
I think you will find most here are not against the concept of "Marine Park/Reserve" but the process that DoC are going about "dictating" policy is what gets our backs up.
again great to have your input...
Ta Kerren. I'll have a think about the next post (will compose it, when I have a little more time up my sleeve; things are rather chaotic at present), and will go from there.
Cheers, O
Yay!! A partner in arms has arived! Sound the trumpets!
Welcome Steve. Nothing wrong with being outspoken: if you are not upsetting someone you are not doing your job properly. By all accounts, I am doing well in all areas of life then ;)
We would all very much like to be better informed of things piscatorial, but due to time involved in finding out the facts, and poor distribution of facts about fisheries to the general public, we often struggle. So, your input in any of these discussions would be a fantastic way to educate some of us non-pointy heads. And maybe you can do a better job than I of convincing some of the idiot-stick wavers that we should be supporting reserves!
p.s. Keep up the good work.
Quote: Originally posted by Reidfish on 01 September 2004Thats right we should all be under the water taking out the prime breeding stock like you do eh Reid
And maybe you can do a better job than I of convincing some of the idiot-stick wavers that we should be supporting reserves!
I reckon I'm playing my part in natural selection. The big ones I shoot can only be dumb and blind, because I am basically useless. Therefore, I take out the bad genes and the superior genes have a better chance of survival.
Long John, however, has some skill. Therefire, he should not be allowed to shoot snapper over 1 kg, because it's not fair on the stocks.
And then there were three. Yipee. I, BTW, have no skill. My 'success' is a function of time in the water, that's all. My CPUE is lower than anyones.
Prime breeding stock-I'm not so sure. You would need many, many generations of poor parent stock to make a significant difference to the genetic strength of the population esp. with fish.
Take Mr. Pig for instance-extremely limited gene pool but still normal. Ahh.....maybe that's a poor example
Hi Steve
If you ask the average Joe in the street about marine reserves they all conjour up pictures of Goat island , glass bottom boats and handfeeding the fish , marine reserves are always going to be a vote winner. Especially when real estate agents add " Has stunning views over..."
Point here is that the creation of reserves are not IMHO the panacea they are made out to be. If we could rark up ARC about sediment discharge and road runoff would we still need the reserves. Lets face it if you were a fish there are a whole lot more attractive places to be than swiming in mud and road oil.
Forgetting for a moment about any taking from commercial or reco fishers , would we be in this position if the local marine enviroment was not is such a poor condition. Is the discharge and runoff problem one that goes straight to the too hard and too expensive basket ? Are marine reserves DOC's attempt to be seen to be doing something instead of addressing a bigger issue ?
Quote: Originally posted by long john on 01 September 2004Yeah well I was going to do your mother, but then I had a look at you and decided that gene pool was as low as it could go
Take Mr. Pig for instance-extremely limited gene pool but still normal. Ahh.....maybe that's a poor example
Very entertaining thread.
Specially the part about the fish being blind to a spearfisherman... (I laughed at that!)
Yea Reid,
Stop shooting all those prime breeding puka and orange roughys.
By the way, exactly how many snapper would you have taken this year in total?
Me? Ive decimated 5.
Goddam spearo's are ruining the ocean. I say.
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