yamaha 70hp vs yamaha 75hp

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    Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 6:30pm
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Hi everyone

Thanks for your of your valuable input so far.  Tricky question.

This is for a surtees 495 with underfloor fuel tank.

My question is 75hp vs 70hp.  The first being about 44kg heavier as it is a 1.6l vs 1l engine.

Will the extra weight offset the extra horse power?  and hence making the 70hp better suited.

I would like to tow behind the boat etc (sometimes).

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If you want to find out the power to weight:

https://www.easycalculation.com/physics/fluid-mechanics/power-to-weight-ratio.php

One thing to look at is can your transom handle the weight of the bigger unit? Also the torque could be a lot higher on the 75 which may offset the minimal hp increase
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Our local Surtees dealer reckons they fly with a 70 on the back. 44kg out over the transom is quite a bit; the 4.7 and 485s were very sensitive to having too much weight over the back but maybe the 495 is better in that regard?
1.6L will have way more torque so be better out of the hole for pulling skiers.
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I spent all of last Saturday driving a new 495 around with a 4 stroke 60HP on the back. It flew along with 2 of us on board. I've been on it with 4 fatties and it took a bit to get it planing. At least it did the way my mate drove it but he was still running the motor in. Loved the boat.  
I don't think you need the extra weight or extra 5 HP. It will really shift with 70HP on the back. I'd keep the weight down. 
If I was buying one, I'd put a 70 on it and opt for the underfloor fuel tank. Great set-up. 
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If you want to find out the power to weight:

 That is for a vehicle, on wheels with min resistance , unlike a displacement hull, pre going over the bow wave to plain, then once on the plain, high area friction with water.. not greased wheel bearings
 To Calc the latter requires Gerrs and/ or Wyman's formula for the displacement.. needing to know hull water liner length displacement hp at the low rpms available

 Then the extra hp to get over the bow wave at that rpms.
 
Then once over Crouches formula knowing the constant requirements of modern trailer able hull, the hp at that rpms and speed, and the total gross weight

A very rough estimate / ball park in the plain.. guestimate/ assumption, total gross weight say 950kg cruise speed 25 mph will require min of about 35 hp.. plus to be well powered another 10 to 15% ...40hp
 Drop another 44kg on and guesstimate 2hp the cruise would pick up around an extra 1 mph.

To take advantage of either engine have 1 prop for towing another for general use

5 hp at WoT will most likely relate to only .5 maybe 1 hp in lower mid range... that would most likely be off set at that rpm range by the extra weight.
 An extra 5 hp at WoT , will most likely off set the extra weight a little.
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

If you want to find out the power to weight:

 That is for a vehicle, on wheels with min resistance , unlike a displacement hull, pre going over the bow wave to plain, then once on the plain, high area friction with water.. not greased wheel bearings
 To Calc the latter requires Gerrs and/ or Wyman's formula for the displacement.. needing to know hull water liner length displacement hp at the low rpms available

 Then the extra hp to get over the bow wave at that rpms.
 
Then once over Crouches formula knowing the constant requirements of modern trailer able hull, the hp at that rpms and speed, and the total gross weight

A very rough estimate / ball park in the plain.. guestimate/ assumption, total gross weight say 950kg cruise speed 25 mph will require min of about 35 hp.. plus to be well powered another 10 to 15% ...40hp
 Drop another 44kg on and guesstimate 2hp the cruise would pick up around an extra 1 mph.

To take advantage of either engine have 1 prop for towing another for general use

5 hp at WoT will most likely relate to only .5 maybe 1 hp in lower mid range... that would most likely be off set at that rpm range by the extra weight.
 An extra 5 hp at WoT , will most likely off set the extra weight a little.



Thanks heaps steps. :)
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Originally posted by Rozboon Rozboon wrote:

Our local Surtees dealer reckons they fly with a 70 on the back. 44kg out over the transom is quite a bit; the 4.7 and 485s were very sensitive to having too much weight over the back but maybe the 495 is better in that regard?
1.6L will have way more torque so be better out of the hole for pulling skiers.

4.7, 4.85 or 4.95 - they are all the same hull. The first 2 just a different way of measuring them. The last a stretched outboard pod.
They will all have the same weight sensitivity. 
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So joker, with the same hull, does this mean the working area for fishing is the same for 470 and 495? Ie. area behind the seats to the transom
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Originally posted by Joker Joker wrote:

Originally posted by Rozboon Rozboon wrote:

Our local Surtees dealer reckons they fly with a 70 on the back. 44kg out over the transom is quite a bit; the 4.7 and 485s were very sensitive to having too much weight over the back but maybe the 495 is better in that regard?
1.6L will have way more torque so be better out of the hole for pulling skiers.

4.7, 4.85 or 4.95 - they are all the same hull. The first 2 just a different way of measuring them. The last a stretched outboard pod.
They will all have the same weight sensitivity. 

They have a bunch of differences. They're not massive ones but they are there.
For a start the 485 and 495 (and possibly a handful of the very last 4.7's) have the outboard pod welded shut for greater buoyancy in the stern. The transom is different on the 495 as well.
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