37kg Rods - Fully Rollered or Not Needed?

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I'm about to buy a rod for a Talica 50 and am trying to get my head around if there are real benefits in fully rollered rods.  It will be a marlin and hopefully one day a Sword set up (Bent butt).


I noticed some of the latest game rods aren't rollered at all? What's the deal team?

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my little 2 cents is sooner or later rollers with play up ,  guides are  far more long term user friendly,

 watson  uses the fully rollered  bent but shimano in his sword video,  but i think he uses  guide rods for most of his marlin  but that   is  unquote able ,
 
  and thats about what i think to 

  i like guides with a roller tip  its just one less thing to go wrong  and the modern guides on top end rods are top grade stuff 

 and  with  minimal  maintenance a guide rod will still be fish able in 40 years  rollers wont do that   
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Nope just get one with Silicon Carbide guides and a roller tip and you'll be sweet. Why Roller tip, the number of Times I have cracked a SiC tip and not noticed it until I lost the fish, I can't tell you. Roller is much more robust, get the extra large sized roller tip and you'll never have a problem. Pull the roller apart once a year and give it a good dose of 3 n1 oil and you'll be all good.
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For me I find testing and oiling the rollers on my fully rollered game rods provides a nice sense of anticipation for that first trip of the year. I guess it averages at around 10 to 15 minutes per rod and once done they go through a season just fine. Not really a major hurdle so I wouldn't move away from rollers just because a rod needs 10 minutes extra work each season. It actually make you do things like check bindings and normally end up giving the rod a good thorough clean after being laid up as well.
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Thanks. That's all good re low maintenance but do you think the rollers provide much above SIC guides? Cheers
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Originally posted by BeastMode BeastMode wrote:

Thanks. That's all good re low maintenance but do you think the rollers provide much above SIC guides? Cheers

 NO IDEA AND IT BOILS DOWN TO  WHAT WE ALL CANT MAKE OUR MINDS UP ON  GUIDES OVER ROLLERS ROLLERS OVER GUIDES

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Originally posted by BeastMode BeastMode wrote:

Thanks. That's all good re low maintenance but do you think the rollers provide much above SIC guides? Cheers
Simple logic says that a working roller should have less friction on the line than any fixed guide but whether that is significant enough to matter I can't say. Personally I would probably get a bit nervous about getting stuck on a big fish that won't move if using fixed tip guides due to the line bend at that point. But haven't got any data to back that up as have always used roller tips or fully rollered rods. I figure that a properly serviced roller should be the ultimate answer and everything else is a compromise so worth those extra minutes each year but I could be wrong and SIC guides might be proven to be superior if someone does some proper testing.
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See this one is my biggest seller with good reasons:

Live Fibre 37kg Fully rollered Aftco Big foot rollers and tip, just maintain them annually like your reels then no issues, 
or other option which is proving popular:

Has Silicone Carbide guides and Aftco Big foot roller tip:

as for friction / line wear issues I would personally prefer suing full Big Foot Rollers , with Inox grease in roller bushes, worry free swordfishing IMHO, cheers swordfishsteve

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How do modern rollers cope with braid?
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Anything from 24kg and up good rollers are fine.
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Mighty Boosh, Modern rollers cope fine with braid providing they actually roll freely, I see so many seized up Rollers due to Neglect, no issues with braid jamming down side of rollers on good quality roller frames, however some Chinese/Taiwan copies have too much clearance and can have issues with braid jamming down side of roller and frame. 
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cheers steve. i remember in the old days that braid + rollers = trouble.
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I have several 24 and 37kg fully rollered and RT rods. I wouldn't be without a RT rod for heavy duty. But I am not sure the fully rollered is any better. The real load is at the tip - at that point they are both equal. The extra maintenance and chance of a frozen roller make me wonder if I would buy another rollered rod. You can't get much simpler than a good RT rod. As Swordfish says - make sure it has the roller type that won't catch the braid down the side (BTDT).
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Sincerely, buy either and go fishing and I'm sure you'll be fine.  You probably stand to have your gamefishing prospects either wrecked or rescued by about five thousand other seemingly innocuous little variables you forgot about until they pop up - BAAAAM! in yo face! - when you least expect it!

I've bought full rollers and I personally think rollers are great.  I'd possibly even say they are marginally superior - IF I wanted a debate.  I think the biggest handicap to rollers are unreliable humans.

But I would happily buy a roller tip too.  I think there are other just as, or more important criteria to look at in a rod.  What blank is it built on?  Is the blank design the best for your purposes?  It'll probably be a compromise because as I understand it, a great marlin trolling rod won't necessarily be the best sword rod.  In fact, some of the features each pursuit apparently requires are mutually exclusive.  That's not to say it won't work - rather, it could work very well by giving you an opportunity to hook a fish you might not otherwise be able to, thereafter showing you what bits of it work for that type of angling, and which don't, so you can then make an informed decision as to whether you should upgrade and if so, what features you'd like the upgrade to have.

Are the guide spacings good? How do the bindings stack up?   Is the butt long enough?  What's the reel seat like?  Does your reel fit it properly?  I'll assume the gimbal is ok, but.... is it?  How good is the warranty?  How good is the retailer with back up?

Whittle everything down without getting hung up on the guide thing at all, beyond the relative QUALITY of whatever its fitted with, and the need for at least a tip roller.  Let it all take shape, and just let the guides kind of happen.  You'll end up with your 'ideal compromise rod' (that's what I did with my 'ideal compromise rod', because we can't all afford two different $1200.00 customs built on specialist blanks - i can't afford ONE, lol!).

Of course I didn't end up with 'an ideal rod' - but I did get a nice rod that's an 'ideal compromise' (I think - until I prove myself wrong anyway). And it turned out to be fully rollered...  Braid is not an issue with my rollers, pretty much guaranteed (and I'm running 0.46mm+/- hollow braid).

Gamefishing prep is all about maintenance and attention to detail, so rollers shouldn't present a big challenge to you, other than just don't forget or neglect them!

Tagit was right - they're just another integral part of each 'rig' and servicing them should become second nature - and it needn't be a drama at all.  Fishing with boring old rings all year, I agree with Tagit - rollers are a welcome sight out on the rigging table.  Their appearance hints at exciting days ahead, lol! 


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After building custom rods for the past 5 years I have come to the conclusion that for a Game Rod using Braid roller guides are the way to go.  

Whenever I set up a jig rod and I am pulling high drag across the same bit of braid over and over again it shreds.  It does not matter what brand of braid or what the guide material is ringed guides shred braid after 20 to 30 repetitions at high drag.  If you are only planning on catching striped marlin then they would be fine but the problem could arise the day you hook that big Blue, Black or Sword and you are pulling high drag backwards and forward over the same 10m of line in a stalemate. 

This is why I’m building my own new rod with these puppies.  100% Carbon Bent butt, and full Titanium Roller Guides with pivoting feet to allow the blank to flex and not snap the roller guide.  These are all hand made in Italy and are a work of ART.  

Now I just have to wait for the custom designed CTS blank to be made.  


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