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Press release. 09/08/2017
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Make The Taupo Fishery the 13th Fish and Game Region.

"The Outdoors Party will seek to change management of the Taupo Fishery from the Department of Conservation to Fish And Game" said Co-Leader, Alan Simmons. The fishery would become the 13th Fish & Game region and come under local management by an elected council of local people.

Since 1990 New Zealand’s most iconic trout fishery has been managed separately by DoC, on behalf of the Crown, whilst the rest of the New Zealand freshwater fisheries have thrived under Fish and Game. Alan Simmons said "The Taupo fisheries team are under-funded, under-resourced and the fishery has suffered from a drop in license sales every year since to half of what it was. There is no communication with license holders and the Taupo Fisheries Advisory Committee, the anglers’ only opportunity to input into the fishery, has failed completely.”

In contrast, fisheries managed by Fish & Game are run by angler-elected Councillors and provide extensive research, communications and feedback for their license holders."

The Taupo Fishery is of vital importance to the region, bringing in upwards of ninety million dollars per year to the local economy, but has been pared to the bone by DoC, with rangers and fisheries scientists now largely absent.

"The Fish & Game model could allow for Ngāti Tūwharetoa, owners of the Taupo lake bed, to have permanent council positions and a much better say in managing a resource that has become very important with local Maori for both food and sports fishing." Alan Simmons said. "Now that the annual payments for the use of Lake Taupo are no longer tied to license sales there is no reason for the Department of Conservation to continue with a small marginalised management team at Taupo that does not fit with the Department’s preservationist culture."

The NZ Outdoors Party recognise that agreement of the Tūwharetoa Maori Trust Board is central to this proposal.

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Originally posted by gunangler gunangler wrote:

Press release. 09/08/2017
NZ Outdoors Party

Make The Taupo Fishery the 13th Fish and Game Region.

"The Outdoors Party will seek to change management of the Taupo Fishery from the Department of Conservation to Fish And Game" said Co-Leader, Alan Simmons. The fishery would become the 13th Fish & Game region and come under local management by an elected council of local people.

Since 1990 New Zealand’s most iconic trout fishery has been managed separately by DoC, on behalf of the Crown, whilst the rest of the New Zealand freshwater fisheries have thrived under Fish and Game. Alan Simmons said "The Taupo fisheries team are under-funded, under-resourced and the fishery has suffered from a drop in license sales every year since to half of what it was. There is no communication with license holders and the Taupo Fisheries Advisory Committee, the anglers’ only opportunity to input into the fishery, has failed completely.”

In contrast, fisheries managed by Fish & Game are run by angler-elected Councillors and provide extensive research, communications and feedback for their license holders."

The Taupo Fishery is of vital importance to the region, bringing in upwards of ninety million dollars per year to the local economy, but has been pared to the bone by DoC, with rangers and fisheries scientists now largely absent.

"The Fish & Game model could allow for Ngāti Tūwharetoa, owners of the Taupo lake bed, to have permanent council positions and a much better say in managing a resource that has become very important with local Maori for both food and sports fishing." Alan Simmons said. "Now that the annual payments for the use of Lake Taupo are no longer tied to license sales there is no reason for the Department of Conservation to continue with a small marginalised management team at Taupo that does not fit with the Department’s preservationist culture."

The NZ Outdoors Party recognise that agreement of the Tūwharetoa Maori Trust Board is central to this proposal.

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Co Leader
NZ Outdoors Party
Ph 07 386 7576
0274 980 304

seems like a good idea?
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As always, there is the 'power grab' mentality. DOC don't want to let go of a major asset. Truth is that DOC are not fishery managers and would be better off sticking to what they do best.
I believe F&G would do a better job.
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It is illogical that DOC run the Taupo fishery. It must cause them all sorts of existential angst managing an introduced/invasive species
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Needs to be done and makes perfect sense, the doc Taupo management was always the "odd child" on the NZ freshwater scene... while they are at it, lump Rotoaira under the same umbrella, that's a mess of a mis-managed fishery!
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Originally posted by Fishb8 Fishb8 wrote:

As always, there is the 'power grab' mentality. DOC don't want to let go of a major asset. Truth is that DOC are not fishery managers and would be better off sticking to what they do best.
I believe F&G would do a better job.

yea like dropping 1080 on all of our land killing all the wildlife inc kiwi and into the lake all the waterways that lead into it...

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F&G would do it better.
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F&G wouldn't touch it with a barge pole
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I'm Intrigued what the reasoning behind that statement is?Smile
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Why would they take on a lot more work and headaches for little to no monetary gain?
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F&G have tried three times to get it .... Smile but DoC are hanging on like a foxy clamped on a pigs balls.  It makes sense to use the expertise that F&G have in fisheries management and they are duly bound by the conservation act to advocate for sports fisheries. Another $1.5m in the coffers would not go amiss around the country. They will just have to look at the inter-availability issues.
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Another $1.5m revenue would be soaked up in a re-structure easily... Alan do you then incorporate Taupo into Eastern, or A/W, or do you set it up as a new region with another CEO (making 14 in total in the F&G setup!), another council... the revenue's not theirs anyway because it goes into a central pot for distribution against operational budgets... 

Just saying its not simply a matter of picking it up and saying "here boys, its yours..." as you well know. It needs to be planned pretty damn carefully. Is that what your party intends to do?


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You can be pretty sure that at this point in time they would want nothing to do with taupo, not to mention the problems that come with it.

Where did you pull the $1.5m of extra revenue figure from?

Have you consulted F&G about this or just decided on it yourself?
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Taupo used to generate 1.5m but has dropped by half under doc management. 
Do you want me to post the budgets... And yes I have consulted F&G and they have also tried twice themselves to get it so dont know where you are getting your idea they dont want it from.. I also tried when I was a NZ F&G national Councillor, consulting the Maoris to no avail. But times have changed and the payment to Tuwharetoa is not linked to the fishing license sales any more so there is no reason for it to stay managed by a department who (some staff) hate trout and have openly said so. However it is a problem for them to be managing an introduced species alongside protecting native fish..
Are you aware of what is going on at Taupo?

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And how many of the people who currently buy taupo licences don't also buy F&G licences? I think your numbers are way off.

Would F&G do a better job than DOC? For sure, no argument there, is it going to happen, I doubt it.

There are big changes coming up for the government and F&G, so anything is possible though
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We crunched the numbers when we did the Taupo Fishery review.. There will be a loss to the system but also some gains ... It does work....
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So, if you have crunched the numbers, where is the extra $1.5m coming from, it certainly won't be from extra licence sales, would it be an increased national licence cost?
I'm sure the rest of the country would love to be left with the burden that is taupo
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I have recently heard from 2 different sources (Taupo Sports Fishing Club President and a Taupo based professional fly fishing guide) that the Taupo trout fishery is absolutely thriving!!! Due to the wet summer and mild winter, lake levels have been maintained at 100% full with loads of smelt and koura present. As a result there are loads of good sized trout available. In fact the daily bag limit for the Taupo region has just been increased from 3 to 6 fish per angler per day. The current governance system for the Taupo fishery seems to be working really well - what is the motivation for change?
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Used to be a real pain having to shell out for 3 different licences for Rotorua, Taupo and the rest.
Can remember coming back from fishing below Huka Falls (remember the ropes you had to use to get to the ledge?) and someone told me I needed a Rotorua licence to fish there.
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Talking to a Doc Ranger on the Tongariro last Sunday a big chunk of license fees go to Ngati Tu Wharetoa. Why would Fish and Game want Taupo, when they'd get no extra license fees, if there was a one New Zealand License, and then they have to pay a big chunk to Ngati Tuwharetoa?
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That goes to show you how little DoC and its staff know about the fishery.
that is totally incorrect information. The Tuwharetoa were paid a sum from the crown purse equivalent to half of license sales.  note from the crown purse and that license sales were used as the measure to establish the amount.
After the settlement in I think 2008 they are paid a set sum from government which is indexed.  The payment is for all people of NZ to enjoy access to the lake... The total sum raised by license sales is used to manage the fishery HOWEVER the crown takes a big chunk as an asset tax... forget what they call it... That few hundred grand would go back to the fishery instead of into government coffers... The assets were paid for by anglers in the first place from license money and its a bloody cheek for government to charge an annual  fee for anglers to use those assets...
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