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I'm not sure why I cannot post in the original tread. If it why I think, sad, actually worse.
 
I have posted sod all for several years and seen a vibrant small community grow into something larger and blander. I don't follow or know Cpt.P.
 
Several years ago there were vibrant posts regularly from Peter the Squid, Billfish, Kezza, Bender and more. There were also a few dickheads who got dealt too. It was not like a moral majority, read minority, who killed anything that looked lively.
 
I understand the commercial imperative, but if this tread was killed to avoid robust discussion, shame.
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@Fishful Thinking,
I can confirm that the thread - Je suis Pugwash- was killed purposely.
I've noticed that whenever a possibly controversial topic is raised the response tends to be to degenerate the thread asap ( by true blue kiwi members or biased moderators).
A lot of the replies are aggressively phrased and full of "if you don't like it well bugger off" attitudes.
Another trend in thread contents is that the questions or opinions must be positive in nature, ignoring as much as possible the reality of many worldly situations, wars, famines, genocides and financial and political  rackets.
Corporate greed is not a question now days its how much are these monstrosities stealing from you and I.
Unemployment right around the world is increasing yet food is getting more expensive, fish in NZ is unaffordable for average kiwi's when it should be available to people other than those with $100,000 boats etc.
Then we look at NZ fisheries and find the stocks so depleted, managed and controlled by bent politian's and corruption unlimited.
80% of the NZ fisheries are owned by 4 companies!.....I seem to remember that NZ fishing zones are supposed to be owned by New Zealanders......NOT 4 fledgling NZ corporates with overseas shareholders and an antiquated completely perverted set of internal legislation to protect them eg quota, policing etc.
Whether Kiwi's want to hear the bad news or not NZ is a fully corrupted kumara republic.     
 
 
 
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Yes I noticed post disappeared to Cpt Pugwash.
Sorry I don't buy into massive conspiracy stuff that you talk about, and the moderators do need to keep it main stream both for public and advertisers.  - there is no perfect system - look at communism - it was meant to be the answer and same stuff goes on in that system. 
The people I have dealt with, moderators and users here are fine, just ordinary people with there ups and downs who get on with life and share their passion for fishing - that's what I like and come back for.
 
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Originally posted by Cpt.Pugwash Cpt.Pugwash wrote:

... many worldly situations, wars, famines, genocides and financial and political  rackets.
  
 
I'm sure there are many forums addressing these very issues, but this is not one of them. I suggest you find the appropriate discussion group where I'm sure your posts will be accepted with the rapturous admiration they deserve.
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I don't think the issue is the topic but how it's being posted and how often it's being posted. There's a difference between Kezza and his band of merry men. They actually get out there fishing and post things that are/were productive, In the same sentence were also bullyish in behavior, they opened peoples eyes to some practices but the main thing is they actually new what they were talking about, whilst still posting TR's of there own adventures and fish they were catching. A lot of CPW's are complete crap... 

 See the difference? 
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Well I would say that the SINGLE most pressing issue that this site has to promote is  the catastrophic state of NZ fishing stocks (big negative) and address  by who, when and how this massive problem will be resolved.  Every other issue in this site fades into insignificance.
There comes a time when the $$$$ has to play second fiddle certainly when the cause is so in need of support NOW not in 10 years. Yes there's a - Fishing Management - section and well there's many a good informative post made but its right now that a HUGE effort is needed.
@hookerpuka - I agree I've posted a lot of crap but its been sprinkled with some good stuff as well and I do attempt to open up a dialogue, pose questions . I've noticed that many of my critics very rarely start a thread they remain - feeders - people that feed off another persons initiative by posting smart arsse  aggressive comments. Takes all types.
 
To the members who want only fishing news ( and photo's of binned snapper) I liken it to the guy who continues to buy the PLAYBOY and has done for 20 years.....duh
Its good to understand that there are many issues associated with fishing, food value,distribution by who, export and who should own the shores.
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Pugsy, you are right, the future of our recreational fishery is indeed important. There is a whole forum devoted to this. But this is a site for fishermen to discuss all sorts of things, especially fishing reports, tips and techniques, a bit of banter, basically an online fishing club.
However, having someone standing on the tables banging away on a general theme of "we're all DOOMED, I tell ya, Doooooooomed!" gets a little grating after a while.
Especially if it is his first time in the doors so to speak.
While you feel this site should concentrate on the political aspects of rec fishing, I am afraid most members far prefer just talking ABOUT their fishing.
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that's why they go fishing ,get rotten drunk and have more fun in one day than normal people have in a year.
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Maybe the solution is just to have a single thread as the forums? We have a place for fisheries resource. Fill your boots there.
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Originally posted by Cpt.Pugwash Cpt.Pugwash wrote:

Well I would say that the SINGLE most pressing issue that this site has to promote is  the catastrophic state of NZ fishing stocks (big negative) and address  by who, when and how this massive problem will be resolved.  Every other issue in this site fades into insignificance.
There comes a time when the $$$$ has to play second fiddle certainly when the cause is so in need of support NOW not in 10 years. Yes there's a - Fishing Management - section and well there's many a good informative post made but its right now that a HUGE effort is needed.
@hookerpuka - I agree I've posted a lot of crap but its been sprinkled with some good stuff as well and I do attempt to open up a dialogue, pose questions . I've noticed that many of my critics very rarely start a thread they remain - feeders - people that feed off another persons initiative by posting smart arsse  aggressive comments. Takes all types.
 
To the members who want only fishing news ( and photo's of binned snapper) I liken it to the guy who continues to buy the PLAYBOY and has done for 20 years.....duh
Its good to understand that there are many issues associated with fishing, food value,distribution by who, export and who should own the shores.
Capt.P, I'm not one for fancy words but dissagree on the catasrophic state of NZ fishing Stocks, Sure where your from and other eastern areas of the North Island there is a big problem. But look at the West coast the Snapper fishery has been getting better all of the seven years Iv'e been boat fish'n. Yes i keep alot of good Snaps, but let just as many go. Maybe a change of scenery and experience just how good fishing can be will  change your outlook a bit. Its not all doom and Gloom. Have made many a man happy with one trip out, catching, keeping or releasing there first good big Snap. Cheers.
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Originally posted by Snappa Geoff Snappa Geoff wrote:

Originally posted by Cpt.Pugwash Cpt.Pugwash wrote:

Well I would say that the SINGLE most pressing issue that this site has to promote is  the catastrophic state of NZ fishing stocks (big negative) and address  by who, when and how this massive problem will be resolved.  Every other issue in this site fades into insignificance.
There comes a time when the $$$$ has to play second fiddle certainly when the cause is so in need of support NOW not in 10 years. Yes there's a - Fishing Management - section and well there's many a good informative post made but its right now that a HUGE effort is needed.
@hookerpuka - I agree I've posted a lot of crap but its been sprinkled with some good stuff as well and I do attempt to open up a dialogue, pose questions . I've noticed that many of my critics very rarely start a thread they remain - feeders - people that feed off another persons initiative by posting smart arsse  aggressive comments. Takes all types.
 
To the members who want only fishing news ( and photo's of binned snapper) I liken it to the guy who continues to buy the PLAYBOY and has done for 20 years.....duh
Its good to understand that there are many issues associated with fishing, food value,distribution by who, export and who should own the shores.
Capt.P, I'm not one for fancy words but dissagree on the catasrophic state of NZ fishing Stocks, Sure where your from and other eastern areas of the North Island there is a big problem. But look at the West coast the Snapper fishery has been getting better all of the seven years Iv'e been boat fish'n. Yes i keep alot of good Snaps, but let just as many go. Maybe a change of scenery and experience just how good fishing can be will  change your outlook a bit. Its not all doom and Gloom. Have made many a man happy with one trip out, catching, keeping or releasing there first good big Snap. Cheers.
Totally agree Snappa Geoff. I've been fishing now for some 55 years off the North Taranaki coast and I reckon the fishing is 100% better than it was 15 years ago and there are probably 10 fold more boats and fishermen around now as well. It's been improving all the time since then and could be put down to a number of contributing factors the one biggee IMHO is the absence now of nets (and long may this be the case too). The west coast probably will remain healthier due to the reduced amount of times we can get out fishing so has a built in protection for the fish stocks because of this. DB
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Tend to agree with you geoff about the West Coast getting better. Any thoughts on why.?
Used to fish the Wellington west coast years ago. What a fishery.Not sure what it is like now .

Back track to the few years before the trawl exclusion zone in the west coast. Winter trevelly on the manukau  was what i liked. Never failed,always a good catch. Ironically did not see that many Gurnard back then. The Manukau was also heavily netted then. Was usual to see at least one refrigerated truck at the ramp at Huia,sometimes more.
Then suddenly for no reason the Trevelly vanished. Great one winter ,nothing the next.Very sudden decline which has continued until the last few seasons.. They vanished the same year the trawl ban was introduced. But after all this time the Trevelly seem to be returning.

Just seen your post Denny Boy. You too have seen the improvement. There you go.

I suspect the Trawl ban had had a big influence on this. The West coast bio mass was heavily fished back in the day. Heard from a reliable source that foreign chartered Trawlers took most of Quota during the Spawning season.
Have never forgotton the words of a fisheries officer who was checking my catch back then.
He said something to the effect that it seemed to be a double standard to check my small catch when a lot of fish were being dumped outside the heads. He went on to explain ,that trawlers targeted the snapper as they entered the harbour by hitting them not far off the heads as they has distinct migration paths into the harbour. As a result the discard of undersize was high.


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I agree with the above comments, fishing & diving the West Coast is much more productive than the East Coast. 
I have been fishing and diving the Mercury Islands for 40 years, and the past three years have seen a significant decline in fishing quantity and quality. The Mercs have always been a favourite spot of mine, but the productivity has dropped significantly. 
So much that my annual 10 day trip is planning to head north on the 29th...probably be a fishing club crawl!
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Ive generally kept out of "controversial" issues. Not because I don't care about them Just a couple of views -
- I feel the controversial issues are actually the most important, for fishing.
- I would hate for the controversial issues to be relegated to somewhere sort of out of sight (as appears to have happened).
- Pugwashes comments seem reasonable to me.
 
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Hi, I've been around these places for a while now and although I don't post every other day on the issues of the day or what was yesterday's issue. I tend to agree that continual negative posting really has no place here. Yes contribute to this place but for God sake balance it. Good bad and in between. I too was around and I bombed in the kezza phats pds billfish ski etc and in fact fished with most of them on the odd occasion.

What I find really not what we are about here is that is the glass is not half empty, it might be half full.
That's eniugh from me. If you really want to see how bad things are, watch the news don't post in here
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Yeah, its all good and well to have a constructive positive forum that encourages everyone to participate, with well moderated threads.

Meanwhile the thread below it is nothing but softcore porn.
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Tend to agree with you geoff about the West Coast getting better. Any thoughts on why.?
Used to fish the Wellington west coast years ago. What a fishery.Not sure what it is like now .

Back track to the few years before the trawl exclusion zone in the west coast. Winter trevelly on the manukau  was what i liked. Never failed,always a good catch. Ironically did not see that many Gurnard back then. The Manukau was also heavily netted then. Was usual to see at least one refrigerated truck at the ramp at Huia,sometimes more.
Then suddenly for no reason the Trevelly vanished. Great one winter ,nothing the next.Very sudden decline which has continued until the last few seasons.. They vanished the same year the trawl ban was introduced. But after all this time the Trevelly seem to be returning.

Just seen your post Denny Boy. You too have seen the improvement. There you go.

I suspect the Trawl ban had had a big influence on this. The West coast bio mass was heavily fished back in the day. Heard from a reliable source that foreign chartered Trawlers took most of Quota during the Spawning season.
Have never forgotton the words of a fisheries officer who was checking my catch back then.
He said something to the effect that it seemed to be a double standard to check my small catch when a lot of fish were being dumped outside the heads. He went on to explain ,that trawlers targeted the snapper as they entered the harbour by hitting them not far off the heads as they has distinct migration paths into the harbour. As a result the discard of undersize was high.


Hi cirrus, The Maui Dolfin netting ban must contribute to an increase in our catches. When i first shifted to Mokau Trawlers some in pairs were a common sight sneaking in real close at night. Now if you spot a trawler, which is rear they are out on the horizon. Also when the weather shuts up shop on the west you go a month or more often with no boat fish'n. I'm fortunite can get out alot more than most as can go at the drop of a hat, which is why i do alot of posts,not that I'm addicted to the Forum or anythingLOL Food - most reefs from around the Mountain to way up north loaded with shellfish, Crays, crabs, Paua etc. Also huge wormbeds as the Snapper spew them up when caught. Thats a few reasons i can think of. Cheers Geoff
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For the Pug!

To me this site is about recreational fishing I don't do a lot of the stuff others do on here but enjoy seeing peoples success (or even failures!) and learning from it. I take it in and apply it and have improved as an angler. I think you need to do the same it sounds to me from all your "reports" you actually don't like fishing or anything that goes with it so why bother? I would like an actual report from your Whitianga stuff like i went fishing today and tried this and this but we never do. 

We can all talk about the good old days but in the good old days they did not have Stella's, Saltiga's, JM, Synit, etc, etc. Approve Honestly who thinks about the politics and all that shyte when you get a bite and the rods bent and reels singing.  
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Ah! So snapper geoff, the net ban DOES include trawlers too then? That is very interesting, and I bet a dollar to a bag of bat poo that that is exactly the reason for the massive recovery in the snapper stocks!
Man would I love to have a similar ban here in the BoP!
Can we borrow a few Maui dolphins please? 😊
Do you think the iron sand mining is having much of an effect as well?
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Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:

Ive generally kept out of "controversial" issues. Not because I don't care about them Just a couple of views -
- I feel the controversial issues are actually the most important, for fishing.
- I would hate for the controversial issues to be relegated to somewhere sort of out of sight (as appears to have happened).
- Pugwashes comments seem reasonable to me.
 


I don't disagree at all. BUT I don't want to see a small handful of individuals spamming every post they can with the anti commercial fishing slant. I pushed for a Fisheries Management forum, but four or five posters would keep me busy half the night moving their posts around. There's a place for everything. It's hardly hidden away, after all the Buy & Sell forum is very popular and takes a little scrolling to find it. We may as well just do away with all the forums and have one long post! who would think to search the fishing reports to learn how to make a tin foil hat Big smile

The Real Whitianga Fishing Report for instance has a very brief second hand account of a fishing report and covers every conspiracy theory from the moon landing to French terrorism all thanks to Inspector Clouseau.


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