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Hawke's Bay Seafoods and Ngati Kahungunu have embarked on a unique conservation-driven partnership to help preserve the Bay's fish resources for generations to come.

As Ngati Kahungunu chairman Ngahiwi Tomoana put it - "this is a turning point because it is going to leave a lot more fish in the sea".

It is a New Zealand first - where a major fisheries company has linked in with local iwi to ensure smaller fish which became trapped in traditional nets are now able to escape, and survive, rather than become a wasted by-catch.

The idea is as ingenious as it is simple, and has been trialled over the past year by several fishermen throughout the country - including one of the Bay's most experienced skippers, Rick Burch.

But Hawke's Bay is the only region to take a unified approach to using them.

Another trawling veteran of the seas, Mike Terry, has also been one of the first to get it aboard his trawler, the Atlantic Dawn.

The innovative nets use elements first trialled three years ago in Denmark and Mr Burch found that by changing the net from the traditional diamond shape and moving it 90 degrees to a more square shape meant the smaller round-profiled species, such as gurnard, red cod, kahawai and rig, could escape more easily through the wider open mesh.

Some independent research has shown that about 80 per cent of smaller unwanted fish can escape the nets.

Mr Tomoana said Ngati Kahungunu were committed to conservation, and provided funding to help support Mr Burch's project.

The link to adopt the more conservation-focused nets was then made with Hawke's Bay Seafood, which leases the inshore fishing quota from the iwi.

Dave Wakefield, the vessel manager for the company, was keen to embrace the idea, as was company director Nino D'Esposito.

"The family started fishing here in 1920 and I'm third generation, and we want to preserve it (the fishery)," Mr D'Esposito said.

"We want to keep it sustainable and we also want to work in with recreational fishermen."

The company had converted five of its eight trawlers to long-liners which he said was also "eco-friendly" and the adoption of the new nets complemented that.

The eight trawlers, and others contracted to Hawke's Bay Seafoods, will all use the new nets.

"And our company will pay for the boats that are contracted to us to get the nets."

That cost was estimated to be around $50,000.

Mr Tomoana said he hoped the initiative would be a trend-setter for the whole fishing industry across the country.

"I've been out there in the bay and seen the small fish packed into the ends of the nets - this gives them the opportunity to get out."

Napier Mayor Bill Dalton said he recently attended a meeting of recreational fishers who believed the fisheries were "raping the resources".

"But clearly, through initiatives like this, you are being responsible."

Hastings Mayor Lawrence Yule also applauded the move, while Napier MP Stuart Nash said it was now vital to convince everyone else who fished the waters to use the new nets.

"We are leading the way here and we need to get them to follow suit."

Ikaroa Rawhiti MP Meka Whaititi agreed.

"Good ideas and good initiatives like this come from places like Hawke's Bay."


after Millions of dollars are blown on some stupid net that was never ever going to work we have moved back to the basic T90 or Square Mesh that Trawlers over seas have been using for years with fantastic results, 75 to 90% reduction in juvenile mortality.
nothing new just needed someone with a little knowledge to do it with our "NZ" trawl nets.
how F#*ken slow is MPI or our minister of fishery?
how long before it takes these fools to OK this setup?????

 
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Yep a company that is well known for its efforts to conserve:

In 2010 Nino D'Esposito pleaded guilty to charges of making false statements about a catch, while in 2009 19 under-sized rock lobsters were found on Hawke's Bay Seafoods' premises.

In 1994 the brothers were convicted of making false statements in quota reports and the illegal possession of fish. The court imposed a fine of $989,395 on them and related companies, with $10 million worth of boats and vehicles forfeited.

Hawke's Bay Seafoods is a quota owner, vessel operator, processor, wholesaler, exporter and retailer.


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Big PR effort me thinks

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They are currently still under investigation after a big raid on their premises earlier this year
 
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I see it this way..
The curreent investigation, if stands up...and they get convicted in court this time around the court would very likely say ..  bye bye guys, take up needle point
So lets assume the investigation is not going well for them and they know it...
What would we do in a similar dead end situation?
Big PR...how would we do that, AND get some sort of 'symathy' from the courts.. maybe..
It would have to be pretty damn dramatic right?.. in the publics eyes
Nets...something the industry has been resisting for some time.. most properly on the basis of cost (???)
So a choice between taking up needle point plus some huge fines, confiscation..
Then the capital investment plus the brownie points in court MAY just win them a new life right?

Now the part that really sucks.
It takes something like this to make corporate policy changes.....be it fisheries what ever....
The capital expense has to be justifiable by the board to the shareholders...thats the law... morailty , Dr feelgood, what is right or wrong has nothing to do with it... so long as its legal and profitable....
That is the basis of market force capitalism......
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that would sum it up, right there Steps,

yes we people forget the investors and the power they have over the hard working, they are after all the hidden part of the problem,

guess that is why it will take the Goverment to enforce a change, not MPI...

makes you wounder how many of these in power own shares hidden under a wife's maiden name some place hence the reason the law has never been changed..



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Quoted from Jim Yeoman Hawkes Bay.

Here are some facts on the amazing initiative introduced last Thursday by Quota Holders Ngati Kaungunu and HB Seafoods. Whilst claiming all the data and sea trial results of the Rick Birch designed net, this net is nothing like Ricks and has not even been trialed. FAIL. In fact looking at the actual make up of this particular net it will not allow anywhere near the claimed numbers of Juvenile Gurnard to escape. FAIL. The estimate is less than 50%. FAIL. For a start, although they are using the larger mesh the majority of the net remains diamond which when being Trawled closes. FAIL. There is only one small portion of this so called revolutionary net that has the square mesh and it isn't even in a place that will generate the claimed untrialed results. FAIL. So while I do applaud this as at least an effort, it is not the big revolutionary change that it is being made out to be. Now that is a shame.
A shame for our fishery and a shame that because of their own self centered egos, when they could have led the country, they have once again destroyed their integrity.
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Its still a bloody good PR/ 'compassion' case to put before the courts...
And unless what u say above is also very clearly presented before the courts, and why...
They have a damn good chance to get away with it... not loose their licences, boats, and just another slap on the wrist fine at most.

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i think your Mr Jim Yeoman has no idea how the square mesh works,

here is a video of how a section of square mesh works in the cod end, "this back in 1991" that is how far behind we are...




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Now that was illuminating, but they do specify they are only effective on round form fish, like gurnard, kahawai etc, so not a lot of help perhaps with snapper, tarakihi etc?
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i think that just needs refining Capt A,
it needs a slightly bigger mesh size with elongated slots to allow for under 25cm snapper to escape.
its possible part of the problem why they wont change because they need a second net for targeting different species,
i just wish a Comm could explain the problems they would have with this net and why they are not in favour of using it.
Price/loss of other species which they could still sell/dont give a rats ass.
 
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here is another way to let different types of fish out from the cod end,
this is another Kiwi concerned about the fish stocks, so what do's that tell you some are sick to death about the undersized mortality rate, so much so they try at least to fix the way they fish...



 
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Question time,
 
what happens when the cod end fills up with fish too big to fit through escape holes?
how do the under size fish escape then?
 
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would it also help to limit the tow time and speed?
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Originally posted by pjc pjc wrote:

would it also help to limit the tow time and speed?
Of course it would, but that would mean less fish per trawl which would mean more trawls to catch the same number of fish, costing more in fuel costs and time.  Unless forced by legislation no business will deliberately do something to reduce profit -in fact if they did you could argue they were acting illegally as a company has a legal duty to its shareholders to maximise profits. 
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the guy with the cage is owner operator and has his own Quota so he is sort of different because he collects all the money for the fish, hence its no skin of his nose to do short trawls,
he also sell to the higher end market, so people buying his fish knowing they have not been squashed and its prime/quality/top shelf fillets and the plus being sustainable...

the square mesh net is the full length of the cod end so no problem there either with fish escaping, round fish have a 90% chance of swimming free,

what they haven't come up with is, longitude mesh which would allow young snapper to escape,
but from pics ive seen its out there just waiting to be inserted into the net for trials.
 

 
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Doesn't this come back to how badly our 'world leading' quota system works? Many of the guys needing to make the investments in new nets and better trawling management are the guys being squeezed by the quota holders and making a marginal living operating their boats. So you have quota holders who are disconnected from the damage being done, and commercial fishermen who can't afford to invest whilst the quota holders and retailers take most of the profits out of our fishery. If the commercial operators owned the quota and could sell dockside like they could in the past we could get more money where it is needed for investment in a better fishing techniques by those who are actually doing it and can see the results. 

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Unless forced by legislation no business will deliberately do something to reduce profit -in fact if they did you could argue they were acting illegally as a company has a legal duty to its shareholders to maximise profits. 

Sry there is no "argue" on that point.. the directors are legally obliged to act in that manner.. That has been the premise for companies world wide ever since the very 1st company was formed in Holland (East India Trading Company)

When governments start thinking about legal boundaries.. it then becomes 'profitable' for companys to spend millions on lobbying to 'protect' those profits / shareholder returns for as long as possible....

On the other hand we see .. say macdonalds sponsor a hospital... they dont pay for EVERYTHING.. only enough to justify the name profile and future markets to the children....its NOT 'moral give the heart a rub' thing.
Things like "industry recommended practices" at the end of the day are no more than delay tactics and have no legal binding... in fact shareholder could sue directors if they kept to them if effected profits/ returns. 

Bottom line, a company is a legal identity, and because it is a 'paper' identity, it has no need for any moral restrictions, and in most cases goes as far that even the expense of sending a wreath to a funeral is technically illegal , out side its scope and articles.

Bottom line it comes down to government legislation to keep companies in line, legally, to set the 'moral' standards
eg legal highs, tobacco, alcohol licensing, building permits, tea breaks, min wage..

So no good hammering the commercial sector.. that are just doing what they are meant to do... and when the resource becomes un profitable , they just move investment elsewhere.....like penny farthing bicycles to motor cars.....washing boards to furniture.

THAT is the real world, and the way it has been for centuries and will be for many more
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Originally posted by Lethal Lethal wrote:

the guy with the cage is owner operator and has his own Quota so he is sort of different because he collects all the money for the fish, hence its no skin of his nose to do short trawls,
he also sell to the higher end market, so people buying his fish knowing they have not been squashed and its prime/quality/top shelf fillets and the plus being sustainable...

the square mesh net is the full length of the cod end so no problem there either with fish escaping, round fish have a 90% chance of swimming free,

what they haven't come up with is, longitude mesh which would allow young snapper to escape,
but from pics ive seen its out there just waiting to be inserted into the net for trials.
 

 
There in lays the biggest problem with the QMA and the commissioning of quota. Not many owner operators own the quota. It is mainly large corporations or investors and we all know they have no regard for stocks nor the people harvesting. It is all about shareholder return. Number one on the big business hit list.
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Originally posted by Tagit Tagit wrote:

Doesn't this come back to how badly our 'world leading' quota system works? Many of the guys needing to make the investments in new nets and better trawling management are the guys being squeezed by the quota holders and making a marginal living operating their boats. So you have quota holders who are disconnected from the damage being done, and commercial fishermen who can't afford to invest whilst the quota holders and retailers take most of the profits out of our fishery. If the commercial operators owned the quota and could sell dockside like they could in the past we could get more money where it is needed for investment in a better fishing techniques by those who are actually doing it and can see the results. 

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If our QMS is really that good ,then how many other countries have adopted it.
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