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Hi all

 

If you would like some recorded Information please refer to the New Zealand Sport fishing 2015 Year book.

 

If you look at page 140-141 2013/2014 season Weighed fish and page 142-143 2013/2014 season tagged Fish

This is all recored fish through clubs regionally

 

An Example from this is

2013/2014 Weighed Striped marlin only regionally 620

2013/2014 Tagged Stripped marlin only Regionally 478

 

These Figures are straight out of the Book and its all clubs NZ wide with Recorded tallys.

 

Out of the 620 Stripped marlin Weighed Regionally 100 came from the westcoast clubs.

 

Have a read of the book or look on Line as its quite interesting reading.

 

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why is there a compulsion for an angler catching their first fish to keep it?

 Snapper fishermen now converting to game and other methods. 

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Here's some more stats for you Speights




Go to page 9, table 1 (pasted above), in the last 10 years tagging rates for stripey's has averaged 58%. Tagging rates in 2012 and 2013 were only 49% and 52%.
Tagging rates for blues is shocking, only an average 24% tagged in the last 10 years!!
The report also makes the comment that tagging rates have been dropping, tagging rates peaked between 1995-1999. So we've pretty much gone backwards.

To me it doesn't seem like we're keeping up our end of the bargain. We complain about the commercial guys taking too much but, within our waters at least, the marlin fishery is ours to protect.
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Originally posted by hookerpuka hookerpuka wrote:

why is there a compulsion for an angler catching their first fish to keep it?

 Snapper fishermen now converting to game and other methods. 

have u forgotten what is was like to nail your first marlin ?
some guys spend years trying !
why begrudge someone the joy of hanging what could possibly be the reult of hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars.
all this kind of talk will do is stop guys joining clubs
to avoid all the holy than tho hypocrites
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good post there angler ....no great
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Originally posted by the angler the angler wrote:

Originally posted by hookerpuka hookerpuka wrote:

why is there a compulsion for an angler catching their first fish to keep it?

 Snapper fishermen now converting to game and other methods. 

have u forgotten what is was like to nail your first marlin ?
some guys spend years trying !
why begrudge someone the joy of hanging what could possibly be the result of hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars.
all this kind of talk will do is stop guys joining clubs
to avoid all the holy than tho hypocrites
 I think you read or misread the tone a little TA 

 The thing of killing your first or what ever seems to stem from Snapper fisho converting across, this isn't a bad thing but it brings with it the fact people are fishing for a feed vs say the Zane greys among us that are fishing for the pure sport.... My comment wasn't derogatory, or should I say it wasn't meant in a derogatory way at all and am sorry you construed it as such. **** I just ate smoked Marlin for lunch.   
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Originally posted by spieghts spieghts wrote:

good post there angler ....no great

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I can see why your so confused there hp thefamous northland teatree may be to blame
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From one who has never been out over the bar to the wild west coast,has never caught or tasted a Marlin. Is it really so bad for a angler to bring his fish in for the smoker. I would not have thought so. I would bring my first one or second  in. They are only present for a couple of months of the year and compared to the numbers that must be taken in the wide Pacific by commercial our catches would only be a drop in a bucket .After all, the time and the dollars put into the local economy in the effort to catch one must be substantial . Does our fishing have to be so P.C.
Surely when a fish is measured and weighed this info must be valuable insight into the fishery.

For those Marlin that are tagged. How many actually survive the huge stress of being caught.
Are many tagged marlin actually re caught and what percentage of total tagged Marlin would that represent. Finally  what does that info actually tell us.
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I.m thinking .... let's settle this over a west vs east comp next year.... keen?
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why is anyone complaining about the tag rate anyway?
its always been 50% or more so what is the problem?

Year    Taken  Tagged

2000–01 422   851

2001–02 430   771

2002–03 495   671

2003–04 592   1 051

2004–05 834   1 348

2005–06 630   923

2006–07 675   965

2007–08 485   806

2008–09 741   1 058

2009–10 607   858

2010–11 607   731

2011–12 635   661

2012–13 730   745

do you see a problem with this figures? MPI gathered.

Hello: why are some complaining?
have they a crystal ball that say this has changed?
what grounds have they to justify its all about to change this year?????


Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing
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Originally posted by Team Kahnage Team Kahnage wrote:

I.m thinking .... let's settle this over a west vs east comp next year.... keen?
Good idea...but is the Kings to be called west or east?
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Originally posted by Lethal Lethal wrote:

why is anyone complaining about the tag rate anyway?
its always been 50% or more so what is the problem?

Year    Taken  Tagged

2000–01 422   851

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Seems stonefish's stats are different from yours Lethal????
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Originally posted by Tone E Tone E wrote:

Originally posted by Lethal Lethal wrote:

why is anyone complaining about the tag rate anyway?
its always been 50% or more so what is the problem?

Year    Taken  Tagged

2000–01 422   851

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Seems stonefish's stats are different from yours Lethal????
Those are the stats for striped marlin only, but even so the percentages are different to the table I posted, which is from a MPI report also. These numbers are from the document I linked to in my first post. Blues/blacks/swords not included in these numbers.
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I speculate the blue/black/sword combo would have little effect on the percentages
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Originally posted by Pork Hunt Pork Hunt wrote:

I speculate the blue/black/sword combo would have little effect on the percentages

Would probably drop the tag percentage to below 50% in the last couple of years of data
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2015 nzsfc yearbook says 2014 was 478 tagged and 620 weighed (striped Marlin). It seems like this season would be much the same as the last one if not worse. Good points stonefish and hookerpuka. I dont know anyone who has regretted letting their first billfish go but i know a few that regretted killing their first... and yes i have seen a fair few cherrys popped
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Originally posted by Pork Hunt Pork Hunt wrote:

I speculate the blue/black/sword combo would have little effect on the percentages


Simon this is getting worse....

It's a very very very very very very lucky Blue, Black or Sword that swims away with a tag on the west coastLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL.(Don't tell Matt Watson, Muppet tagged 3 swords on his trailer boat last season).
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Originally posted by Lethal Lethal wrote:

you all seam worried about what other Gov/Green's may do to this fishery if we Kiwis dont release a certain amount of the Marlin catch we land,


its a no brainier anyway:
anything that swims between countries from now on is going to get nailed by the huge ever increasing subsidies Chinese fleet lurking just outside our 200mile zone.

so remember the taste its about to disappear from your plate within a few seasons.
   


Lethal how many marlin have you caught on your boat and what is your tag /kill ratio?
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There are a lot of assumptions and generalisation in this thread , gettin a bit like felch book.
if guys were really actually truely that concerned at a fishes welfare they should be busting or cutting it off at the quickest opportunity , how many will miss a tag shot on the first chance at leader then exhaust the fish for another 45mins just to get a silly tag into a brown fish and release it to float to the bottom.

Had smoked marlin pasta for tea last night , broadbill tonight , bloody awesome kids love it , certainly adds variation to home kill meat and wild game that is our normal source of protein.
No shame in keeping one every season or getting some blood on the deck, in fact it's one of the reasons I enjoy it so much .
Can't assume everyone's only doing it to collect tag cards and be no 1 boat or Woteva

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