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Well I needed to remove 100metres of perfectly good 10lb Microfuse off a reel to make room for a lighter line. 4lb Microfuse is getting hard to source, so went with 2kg fireline. Made by the same parent company apparently. 

This line is crazy thin, thinner than 4lb microfuse. Got about 50m of 9lb mono on the stradic 2500 spool, and then all 135metres of Microfuse. I reckon I could have put a lot more on as well, my reel with the microfuse goes all the way to the lip with no issues; this is about 2mm off. 

Managed to tie a successful bimini on my third attempt. First two slipped under pressure when testing but didn't break until nearly 3kg. I'm told that this line is rated at its break, or closer to it.

I've connected a 8lb fluoro leader with a GT knot then tied a 4lb length of fluoro to that with a surgeons knot. The theory is that a fair bit of the fishing will be freshwater so 4lb should be ok, but if I snag then I won't need to retie the full GT knot. Can also tie a 15lb bite leader for the salt.

I was thinking about 15lb leader connected with a GT, but was concerned it would affect a light lures action, even if joined to a light trace/tippet.




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Originally posted by OneWayTraffic OneWayTraffic wrote:

Well I needed to remove 100metres of perfectly good 10lb Microfuse off a reel to make room for a lighter line. 4lb Microfuse is getting hard to source, so went with 2kg fireline. Made by the same parent company apparently. 

This line is crazy thin, thinner than 4lb microfuse. Got about 50m of 9lb mono on the stradic 2500 spool, and then all 135metres of Microfuse. I reckon I could have put a lot more on as well, my reel with the microfuse goes all the way to the lip with no issues; this is about 2mm off. 

Managed to tie a successful bimini on my third attempt. First two slipped under pressure when testing but didn't break until nearly 3kg. I'm told that this line is rated at its break, or closer to it.
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Think I've got some 3 pd micro fuse here if you want it ?
I've done a fair bit of freshwater fishing with 4 pd microfuse and 1 pd,used 6 pd leader tied to main line with a Bimini double to a yuca tan knot,alway cast with full leader off rod tip so knots don't go thru guides.
Doing this with saltwater light tackle as well as there's less dramas
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That's a generous offer, but it will probably just stay in the cupboard for a couple of years now I've got fresh line on.

I went out with the family to explore Lake Karapiro today. I like the line a lot. Last time I bought fireline back in 2012 I didn't like the fluff, but that line is still going strong on my daughter's reel. I'll see if they've improved it any.


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I bought some fire line exceed recently 4lb apparently, and agree it's very thin. The casting with this is amazing.. Have caught some solid fish with it as well so can't fault it so far. I was sceptical with fire line, never really liked it much before but the ability to cast so much further with thin line is hard to not want more of it.

I can only imagine the sinking rate is way better with this stuff, the lure gets to the bottom better and stays on the bottom longer effectively increasing the time your lure is actively fishing especially when the wind gets up.

So far it gets the thumbs up!
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Hi OneWay Traffic  I have been getting keen on trout fishing recently, got a rod and reel for my birthday back in october spooled with 3kg fireline exceed never used it before, my knots all slipped even after using specific knots off the berkley web site, so a quick text to Capt Asparagus and I was off around to his new man cave for a bit of advise on knots and setting up, we set it up double line bimini twist tied to 6.8kg vanish flurocarbon leader, went down to Karapiro on Tuesday to try my luck using my tried and trusted sebile 14g flat shad but with no luck tried a little 3.7g sub dog then a 2.5g scumdog but no luck either, saw several trout over quite an area but no takers, found the exceed casted very well especially into the wind with the smaller lures, and like you said very small dia,
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I had to bimbo slip. (Lol iPhone auto correct)

The trick is to put in a lot of twists. I did about 50 I think.
I'd consider attaching a lighter length of fluoro to your leader. 6.8kg might impede the lure action.

4lb is enough to catch the majority of trout, 8lb will catch any trout. 

I'd suggest 8lb for most water around the Waikato, the water doesn't seem to be gin clear. Too much runoff into the water.


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Ah-ha! So all the fish have not been caught there yet! Excellent news! :-)
I hope to get up there early in the week, see if I can find a fish or two for some more calendar type photos.
Were you fishing right up the stream there TJH?
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Originally posted by Capt Asparagus Capt Asparagus wrote:

Ah-ha! So all the fish have not been caught there yet! Excellent news! :-)
I hope to get up there early in the week, see if I can find a fish or two for some more calendar type photos.
Were you fishing right up the stream there TJH?


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Lol, good try, but I too have a camera, and as they say, two is company..... :-)
New model, so just some preliminary shots I expect.
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I've used the Old Berkley Fireline Exceed, it frays easily but better casting compared to Powerpro.

With that being said, i bought some of the latest ones to try out @ the canals.

I use Alberto knot to connect 6-10lb braid to 8lb fluoro and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54N-K1fCw6w
 
Never had a slip (touch wood) but had fluoro leader broke off once before the knots did.
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Thought I'd post an update. 

Had a breakage last night on a West coast fish (probably a kahawai) I was running about a kg of drag and broke the line as the fish dived under the boat. Pretty sure it wasn't contacting the hull at the time. Line casts like a dream and I've landed some good pannies on it.
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And another breakage on another kahawai last Saturday. Same situation. 

1 kg drag (tested on scales, and smooth) breakage a few metres above my leader. 

Shock loading I think, or a rub off on the underside of the boat.

I'm thinking of using one of my light setups for inchikus but will need to beef up the braid. At $10-$20 a lure it gets expensive.




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Stuart, a random thought (maybe not so random - sparked by your comment "it parted a few metres above the leader"):

I have found that Fireline does wear, specially on baitcaster reels. But I can't get more than about 2 years out of Fireline on my infrequently-used spin reels, either.

I am wondering if your lighter Fireline may be wearing running in and out through line guides, and if that is the case, it would most likely be in that first few metres where the most wear would be.
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I was wondering about that myself. However given that I've had two breakages in a week with two separate kahawai now dragging around a leader and line, I've splashed out and bought a bulk spool of 5kg Fireline exceed. I have the 5kg line on another reel and used that to catch some fish after the break off. I'll put the 2kg line on a spare spool and hold it for a session on trout some time.

The bulk spool should last a few years, and 5kg line is about 6lb in the old money. Capable of landing the majority of fish.

I'm planning to do more inchiku jigging with the light rods, so thought that at $10+ per break off in line, leader and lure plus the effect on the fish that it would be worthwhile. 

As an aside, it is a LOT of fun playing kahawai on the light gear. I switched to a 6-8kg rod after the break off and it was effective (using a jitterbug) but less fun.


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Originally posted by OneWayTraffic OneWayTraffic wrote:


The bulk spool should last a few years, and 5kg line is about 6lb in the old money. Capable of landing the majority of fish.
 
5kg = +/- 11lb; Fireline typically tests 2x at least what the label says.
 
My heaviest SB lines are rated at 10lb, so I'm sure 5kg will handle pretty much anything you'd expect to hook, unless you're fishing from the rocks.
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I think Paulus has it at about 7.8kg if I read his site correctly. That's the same as fireline original 6lb. Paulus records average Diameter is the same too (~0.22mm.)

Anyway, it seems thin enough, strong enough and in bulk, is cheap enough.

I still have 12lb microfuse on a 6-8kg rod, and an unused spool of 20lb powerpro waiting for a reel to put it on.

I think the trick with lines is to go as light as you can to hook more fish, but stop as soon as they start breaking line. 
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Originally posted by OneWayTraffic OneWayTraffic wrote:

And another breakage on another kahawai last Saturday. Same situation. 

1 kg drag (tested on scales, and smooth) breakage a few metres above my leader. 

Shock loading I think, or a rub off on the underside of the boat.

I'm thinking of using one of my light setups for inchikus but will need to beef up the braid. At $10-$20 a lure it gets expensive.

How do you know the breakage is a few metres above your leader? Could it be at your leader knot?


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Hi Downtown.

I generally don't run huge long leaders, just a rods length.

My knot is secure, since I learned the GT knot on light line (it's kind of like a modified FG) I haven't had one slip though I have tried.

But in this case I know because of how much  line the fish had out, and how much I got back. 
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im using 20lb exceed in black on my baitrunner, the strands seem to want to come apart pretty easily when crushed or bent and the line melts pretty easily so not sure how much heat from friction would cause it to break but has been good so far though but id be concerned to go much smaller then 15lb. reminds me of dental floss. weird stuff. 
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