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    Posted: 29 Nov 2011 at 5:05pm

What is everyones opinions on the best knot for light braid to mono trace for softbaitfishing?

And I am asking for softee'in not fancy PR knots like jiggers do...
 
I guess with this style of fishing we do away with swivels, even small ones for joining our trace to our mainline.
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Ok then GSPOT are you speaking from experience? Meaning if you've just lost your gear to a cutta can you tie these quickly and easily in a boat rocking and rolling with wet and sticky hands?
 
Or is this more suited to your workshop in ideal conditions?
 
Because I am after a simple one that can be deployed at sea if you catch my drift.
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I dont use a knot - but I have read many articles on them - the last one was Field & Stream 8/11 - 
 
Light-to-heavy line splice, for tying on thicker lines such as shock leaders.

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(doubled line): 157%

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Five-turn Bristol, or no-name,
knot (doubled line): 148%
Slim Beauty (single line): 94%
Albright (single line): 94%

I have tried tieing the Yucatan and found it easty, compared to some others that are hard.
Someone said that 6 turns might not be enough for some braids, so I suggest say 10 turns. Doubled, means making a loop in the braid before tieing the Yucatan. best for this, would be a Bimini twist.
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Surgeons knot is quick, simple and reliable
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Thanks for that Letsgetem but I suck at tying Biminis with light braid...ok more practice grasshopperOuch
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Or you could have just done a search to find the million times this question's been asked before.
 
Oh and the answer to your question, back to back uni knot, with the braid folded over itself to double it's thickness. It's simple and never breaks for me........ maybe I'm just soft, but that's a whole 'nother subject.
 
Not quite game enough to tie it with my eyes closed, but they ain't what they used to be and I don't need alot of light to do it, so almost as good as having 'em closed?
 
The only problem is that if I use 40pound nylon, which I don't anymore, the knot won't go through the levelwind eye on my curado.
 
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Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

Thanks for that Letsgetem but I suck at tying Biminis with light braid...ok more practice grasshopperOuch
 
Ahh grasshopper, no need for bimini, try a 5 turn spider hitch, then yucatan. Or just double it & tie ya knot.
 
back to back uni another option, just make the trace about meter & a half so knot wont go thru the eye, if you want can put a bead on braid as a stopper.
 
A pr knot is good to tie at home 1st, then when murphy calls, well your practising will bear fruit...
 
UNI would be my bet, yucatan needs to be tight, a tad hard with light stuff.....
 
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Here's what I use....

The Improved Albright Knot


  1. Double one end of the leader to form a loop. Run the main line through the loop and begin wrapping around both legs of the loop, going up to the leader.
  1. Make five wraps.
  1. Begin wrapping back down the leader, going around both legs of the leader and the previous main-line wraps.
  1. Complete five wraps back down the leader and pass the tag end through the loop, going out the same side it came in.
  1. Partially close the knot by pulling on all four strands of mono.
  1. As the knot begins to tighten, release both tags to pull only on the standing end of the line and leader.
  1. Cinch the knot, and trim tag ends.



If using mono or fluorocarbon, as the leader, this knot draws up to a very slim knot which passes easily through the guides of the rod.  I have never experienced this knot "letting go" ....
  
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OK, Al (and BTW I liked the pun of your forum handle as it was before...):
 
1.   I always tie a double, because I think the doubled light braid holds on to fluoro leader better than a single thickness or a line just doubled for the knot but cut off at the knot.  On the boat, a 6- or 7-turn Spider Hitch to make the double (10 seconds - just tried it).  I think Biminis are stronger, but far prefer to tie them on land than aboard a small dinghy or a kayak at sea.
 
2.  Albright as in Olfart's post, but I use a lot more turns of the double braid around the leader - typically 9 up and 7 back.  Takes buggerall more time than fewer turns. (25 seconds including trimming - just tried it.)
 
I have found that these work adequately for me and are quick and easy to tie. Lots of other knots, and these ones tied slightly differently, have failed to hold for me.  I find back-to-back uni knots in the softbaiting application are bulky enough to rip rod tips off - has happened to me twice, once when tied by me and once by a very well-known expert.  (No names, no pack drill.)
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Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

Ok then GSPOT are you speaking from experience? Meaning if you've just lost your gear to a cutta can you tie these quickly and easily in a boat rocking and rolling with wet and sticky hands?
 
Or is this more suited to your workshop in ideal conditions?
 
Because I am after a simple one that can be deployed at sea if you catch my drift.

It is quicker than my old double then back to back uni. Smile

Have got it down to 45 seconds in Garage last night.  The trick is to wrap the braid around first an pinky finger.
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Originally posted by PJay PJay wrote:

OK, Al (and BTW I liked the pun of your forum handle as it was before...):
 
1.   I always tie a double, because I think the doubled light braid holds on to fluoro leader better than a single thickness or a line just doubled for the knot but cut off at the knot.  On the boat, a 6- or 7-turn Spider Hitch to make the double (10 seconds - just tried it).  I think Biminis are stronger, but far prefer to tie them on land than aboard a small dinghy or a kayak at sea.
 
2.  Albright as in Olfart's post, but I use a lot more turns of the double braid around the leader - typically 9 up and 7 back.  Takes buggerall more time than fewer turns. (25 seconds including trimming - just tried it.)
 
I have found that these work adequately for me and are quick and easy to tie. Lots of other knots, and these ones tied slightly differently, have failed to hold for me.  I find back-to-back uni knots in the softbaiting application are bulky enough to rip rod tips off - has happened to me twice, once when tied by me and once by a very well-known expert.  (No names, no pack drill.)
 
 
Thanks Pete, I was gonna seek out the Masters great guidance on this matterLOL
 
I can tie a spiders hitch no probs, out of interest how long do you make your double?
 
And thanks Olfart for the great diagram you ae most helpful Sir, I must have a play.
 
 
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simple for me, double with spider hitch then back to back uni. Fast and reliable for me. If do 5 turn with braid and 3 or 4 for flouro its not too bulky but doesn't slip either
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just this very basic albright for me with 8-15lb fireline.
I guess it is the "unimproved albright". LOL
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was using Albright but now a FG knot, so smooth through the guides for casting into the wash 
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Originally posted by Saltiga Saltiga wrote:

was using Albright but now a FG knot, so smooth through the guides for casting into the wash 

 
been using the FG for jigging (50lb braid to 100lb mono) and it seems good, just seemed a little OTT for light gear. 
Do you still melt the end of the leader in to a little blob when using the FG on light stuff?
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Spiders hitch and then a back to back uni. Easy peasy. The back to back uni is easier to tie with the doubled mainline imo. Caught Kingies to 11kg using 5kg braid and 15lb Fluro using this knot so it works for me.
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Originally posted by Catchelot:   out of interest how long do you make your double?
[/QUOTE Catchelot:   out of interest how long do you make your double? [/QUOTE wrote:

 
It's usually about 1 to 1 1/2m; I doubt that the shock/ab
 
It's usually about 1 to 1 1/2m; I doubt that the shock/abrasion resistance reasons for a long-ish leader on mono counts much for braid, but I got into a habit.  Also if I want to change the leader to heavier or lighter, I've got heaps of doubled line to play with.  I have gone as low as 1ft double with no difference in hooking or fish playing discernible by me.
 
(Mind you, the "fishy stink" around the truck today wasn't discerned by me, either.  Spilt goob from some fillets I carried down to the son in Auckland, simmered in a hot cab...SWMBO was not amused.)
 
PS - yes, I know I always have a "PS" of some sort - I read somewhere a piece of very sage advice: "Find knots you're confident in and practice tying them until you're the best at them you can possibly be."  I am certain that my unhappiness/failure with some knots is mainly because I didn't practice doing them enough.
 
PPS how can a knot be 148% or 157% line strength? Or, more accurately, how on earth can that be measured independently of the line?
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Tried all sorts but keep going back to 5 turn spider hitch in the braid with back to back uni. Improved albright is supposed to be a very strong knot but I don't like it after it has been through the guides a few times i.e. it has failed on me a few times whereas the other may not be quite as strong but is more reliable tied in a hurry. I saw something on youtube where the albright was tested as the strongest so gave it a good go for softbaits. I always use the albright for a surfcasting shock leader but that's nylon to nylon.
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"I am certain that my unhappiness/failure with some knots is mainly because I didn't practice doing them enough."

Very true. When they fail you tend to go back to what you know rather than persist and risk losing a fish.
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