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Topic: Bull Sharks in New Zealand?
Posted By: Trenta
Subject: Bull Sharks in New Zealand?
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 11:27pm
Hey team,

It has been a long time since I posted on this forum, but to break my silence, I wanted to ask if and in fact why there are no Bull Sharks in New Zealand?

I know there was a report of one being caught out of the Kapiti region?  a couple of years ago, but I think this turned out to the a bronze whaler??

I guess my question is, if they are globally widespread, and even so close as in the canals of the Gold Coast, then why arent they in New Zealand?  Australia, Americas, Africa, why not little ol New Zealand?

It is a good thing they are not in NZ, as they are a very aggressive shark....



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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 11:39pm
yepp we dont need those huas Trent..


Posted By: Mr Plastic
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 11:41pm
yea they swim up waterways even into fresh water and will eat your kids in a flash. very angry beasts!!


Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 11:43pm
how the hell are you mate???

i am glad as hell we havent had any confrontations with these buggers, the Gt Whites are chickens compared to Bulls when it comes to tasting your limbs....  


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Posted By: Trenta
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 12:00am
Hey Eric, I am all good thanks! 

There have been a lot of documentaries here in the UK recently on Bull Sharks, which got me thinking about why they are not in New Zealand, especially being in such close prosximity to the ones in OZ.

Majorly aggressive shark that one!  But whats to stop them crossing the ditch? 

Dont get me wrong, I dont want them in NZ at all, but more curious as to why they are not there?


Posted By: random
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 12:12am
water temperature.


Posted By: Beak
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 8:26am
I heard that they don't come because of the high New Zealand dollar, way cheaper to holiday in Thailand! Apparently they also buy their All Black rugby jerseys online! ;-)


Posted By: Kaeo Fella bay
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 9:42am
hahahahahaha crack up...

To be honest I'm going to buy my jersey online (sorry mate off topic)


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Posted By: Methesda
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 10:00am
Great Whites ate them all.


Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 10:36am
It's my one fear that the Bull will make a move here, if they do bye bye property prices at Omaha.

It's too cold, how ever bronzies are from the same family as bulls.

The thing is we get tigers swimming around out wide, but no bulls yet they (very) generally speaking frequent the same water temps.

Both of them scare the jeebus out of me from a being in the water point of view.  But if they do move in then I wouldn't hesitate to tick them of my list of target species.  Have been pondering a trip to Oz to go get them as well.


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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 11:05am

One caught apparently off D'urville island back in http://www.underwatertimes.com/news.php?article_id=38450297610 - 2006 (not sure if it was ratified or confirmed 100% though).



Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 11:08am
Does anyone have a contact at Te Papa?

That would answer it


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Posted By: Fenien
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 11:38am

Just imagine them swimming up the Waikato river.Would be great fun to target off the Tuakau bridge.



Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 12:25pm
What makes you think bronzies are not already swimming upstream?

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Posted By: Fenien
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 12:38pm
I know they are,but don"t know just quite how far.Hooked one at Quarry Point just upstream from Port Waikato once on a live kahawai.Seen a guy when I was carp fishing down at Huntly who was using a catfish as a livie for sharks.Don"t think he got any though......


Posted By: Aaron32987
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 12:44pm
Originally posted by Zambizi Zambizi wrote:

It's my one fear that the Bull will make a move here, if they do bye bye property prices at Omaha.

It's too cold, how ever bronzies are from the same family as bulls.

The thing is we get tigers swimming around out wide, but no bulls yet they (very) generally speaking frequent the same water temps.

Both of them scare the jeebus out of me from a being in the water point of view.  But if they do move in then I wouldn't hesitate to tick them of my list of target species.  Have been pondering a trip to Oz to go get them as well.
 
The bull shark, Carcharhinus leucas, also known as Zambezi shark...
 
didn't know that till now!


Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 12:51pm
Yeah had that account name a bit before this one, just forgot the emai address and password for it

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Posted By: mjl
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 1:06pm
Originally posted by Zambizi Zambizi wrote:

It's my one fear that the Bull will make a move here, if they do bye bye property prices at Omaha.

It's too cold, how ever bronzies are from the same family as bulls.

The thing is we get tigers swimming around out wide, but no bulls yet they (very) generally speaking frequent the same water temps.

Both of them scare the jeebus out of me from a being in the water point of view.  But if they do move in then I wouldn't hesitate to tick them of my list of target species.  Have been pondering a trip to Oz to go get them as well.
 
Tigers are pelagic bulls are not.


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Posted By: Standard Deluxe
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 1:07pm
We should be more concerned with whats eating them when they try and cross the ditch... :p


Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 1:07pm
Explains it, thanks dude.

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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 1:26pm
Only reason bullsharks do not visit nz is they do not like very deep water, 200mtrs is as best as they will go, they love shallow areas eg coastal areas, though they do travel but they can feed on other sharks fish etc and bump n bite suspect food items in there range. due to there ultra high testosterone swiming in areas that bull sharks can go into is to be avoided. unless your the PM of nz  in queensland then go hard so we know your enjoying your self.
  



Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 1:33pm
Originally posted by Santa's_on_P Santa's_on_P wrote:

Only reason bullsharks do not visit nz is they do not like very deep water, 200mtrs is as best as they will go,



Got a link to that? I'm searching up a storm on google.  Also have you seen the doco Superfish?


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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 2:35pm
Superfish? yer i have it on dvd 
It is found to a depth of 150 metres (490 ft) but does not usually swim deeper than 30 metres (98 ft) extract from wiki and from what commercial operators say they hardly ever get bulls deeper than 150mtrs from where they accure  and thats from chatting to other commercial guys. 


Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 2:58pm

Any mention on how deep it is when he's swimming with the blue at the end? As there were bull's hanging around down under them.

I just find the statement odd.  If you look at some of migration study that's been done in southern africa, (which I found while trying to find more on the depth thing) they certainly can cross huge amounts of water.  Mind you it's entirely possible they're hugging the coast, but the chances of them moving 2000+ km's without crossing water that’s 150 - 200m deep seems slim.

Nothing to back it's up just an opinion.

Can/will any of the marine bio guys on here shed an opinion on it?

This has me intrigued.  Back to the book of goog



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Posted By: Busted!
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 4:06pm
They will follow other fishy species if there is enough plentiful food.  My guess, the ugly huas are lazy and don't like swimming all the time (quite common to see them lazing around in still water apparently).
 
I definately do not want to see one of those, they make Mako's look calm and collected.  Have seen video of one underwater, easy to see why the have the name Bull shark.  Way not cool...


Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 5:00pm
To answer your question sure they travel long distances, but at what depth and for how long? no one knows for shore, they always hug the shore line and never get far from the epipelagic zone as that's where they feed 9 times outta 10. Where food is that's where you will find them but what we do know is they are worse than whites and tigers and oceanic white tips and makos. but that's my opinion. the day nz gets bull sharks is the day nz runs out of snapper. :)


Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 5:06pm
Good point,

Originally posted by Santa's_on_P Santa's_on_P wrote:

the day nz gets bull sharks is the day nz runs out of snapper. :)


Or swimmers LOL


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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 5:13pm
hey zambizi even south africa dont know much about how when and why about bullsharks. heck they know when how and why whites mate eat and fart more than about bull sharks lives. need more studys me thinks. could be some money in it for the right person :)


Posted By: Wanda_Ra
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 5:29pm
There was a doco on tv last year about Bullsharks in the " americas Somewhere??" and the problems they were having with them.Seems they were having their young in very shallow harbours and the pwers that be decided to fill in one of the harbours to build on, and make the other into a huge marina complete with anti shark fencing etc. No consideration was given to what the ole bullies would do.
 
low and behold a few months later the very popular shallow beaches a few kms up the coast started getting record shark attacks and it was fould all the bull sharks and moven there enmass and were defending their new breeding ground.
 
( was  quite funny to see actual footage of some dumbass ignoring the  "warning,you WILL get bitten by bulsharks if you enter the water" sign posted on the beach,walked out waist deep and turned around to wave at the camera only to get bitten twice.)
 
 
 
There was a Tigershark off Omaha 2 yrs ago that chewed the lifeguard inflatable a little http://www.nzherald.co.nz/omaha/news/article.cfm?l_id=500572&objectid=10487090 - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/omaha/news/article.cfm?l_id=500572&objectid=10487090  
 
 but glad there are no bullsharks over here.Nasty things.


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Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 5:30pm
hahaha

When you see how those locals do it makes the stuff we do landbased here look primative, but not for long...

muwahahhahaha


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Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 5:33pm
That doco was about a port/harbour in brazil.  The one where you got fined for surfing because they didn;t want attack to scare away the tourists?




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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 5:34pm
raw offal?? in crab pots? who is there right mind would use offal? crabs eat fish frames in traps and that will not attract sharks to go on a human feeding frenzy. that tiger was just pissed  at the rubber ducky annoying it, all it wanted was the mullet it was chasing.


Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 5:36pm
The brazil doco was about brazil screwing up the water ways, and how a slaughter house used a local stream to discharge water and other nastiness, and it ran all the way down to the sea and low and behold the bullys found it and could not trace it, to its source and just ate what was close... swimmers, humans stuffed up there breeding grounds for shipping no wonder they was pissed..


Posted By: herby
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 5:58pm
Would be very suprised if that Omaha 'tiger' was actually a tiger.
A lot of people use chicken in crab pots, but fish frames will attract sharks in the immediate area.
 


Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 6:07pm
I concur, almost definitely a bronzie. Tigers in New Zealand tend to be blue water, or around some of the offshore islands. The only one I have seen here was off the east coast of the Barrier, well offshore.


Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 6:19pm
Originally posted by herby herby wrote:

Would be very suprised if that Omaha 'tiger' was actually a tiger.

 


Yeah I heard that from a fella up that way as well.  Large bronzie was the word.

The rare 4m model


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Posted By: FarNorfOwnage
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 6:29pm

 

sharks are the scum of the sea i dont understand why anyone would bother targetting them landbased or at sea (unless your targetting brutus RIP or a 400kg thresher whats the point?)
 
dont worry about gay sharks, just concentrate on the real deal....a 30kg+ king off the rocks cuz everything else is EASY Wink
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Jaapie
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 6:41pm
There was a study done in 1998 and another in conjunction with Jeremy Wade in Struisbaai from memory. [Edit 8/8/2011 - Study was Breede River not Struisbaai] 
 
I have the data on another computer at home, but I'm currently in Melbourne.
 
Will post something up as soon as I'm able.
 
Very intelligent sharks and not the massive man-eating monsters they're made out to be.
Prefer fish to humans.
 
When I was a kid one of the native herders was telling a farmer about this huge crocodile that was killing the odd sheep or goat when they had to cross this river up near Mozambique. They set a trap and let the sheep cross one by one and when there was an attack they dynamited the river.
Lo and behold.....instead of a croc they got another bitie....you guessed it a Zambezi.
 
Well documented cases of the Zambezis having a go at hippo calves and taking a fair few chunks out of them. Unreal footage.
 
I'll get that data up.


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Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 6:52pm
You need to hook a decent shark imo Tongue

I enjoy the challenge of having a fish pulling so hard you can't hold the rod with your hands, running up and down beaches chasing it trying to get parallel with it, walking up and down beaches to gain line as you can't lift the rod properly or need a break from pumping it. Slogging it out for over an hour thinking you have it beat when it decides rips another 300m out as if it's only just been hooked. Mind you the first one was a 4 and half hour slog, 2 and a bit hours has been the longest since then 45 - 90min being the average.  It'a as much an endurance thing.  Being physically so ****ed after a good tussle you can bearly stand, then have a short break for a durry/drink and starting all over.

And then doing that off the rocks makes it even harder (yet to do it properly off the bricks, that's this years plan)

That's what keeps me doing it.  That alot of bang for very little buck.

Still would always jump at the chance to catch more kingi's.


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Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 9:00pm
Originally posted by Zambizi Zambizi wrote:

Does anyone have a contact at Te Papa?

That would answer it
Clive Roberts <[email protected]>


Clive is the man...  been very helpful to me over the years


Posted By: FarNorfOwnage
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 9:37pm
you need to hook a decent kingi imo Tongue
 
large bronzies are just a nuisance while your trying to livebait for kings.  its guttwrenching doing missions to places like maria only to be sending baits out to ****ty bronzies and having to play a game of tug-of-war for 40mins with a 'wet log' whilst your mate next to you is getting absolutely spanked by a horse king.  only my opinion of corse.
 
 


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Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 9:54pm
lolol

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Posted By: Fenien
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 9:58am
Seen a big Tiger last year when we were Gt fishing in New Caledonia.It was out in the middle of nowhere cruzing along the sand flats.Our guide reckoned it was on the look out for sea turtles.No way would I have wanted to be in the water with that beast.Would have easily been 12 foot.


Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 10:11am
tiger sharks are one of the few sharks you can swim with in the wild. strange but true...


Posted By: herby
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 10:14am
What do you mean? Which sharks can't you swim with?


Posted By: Fenien
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 10:15am
Don"t know about swimming with it,but I probably could have walked on water though!It was the first one that I have seen & was very impressive,was not bothered by us at all & just kept on going about his business.


Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 10:27am
Originally posted by Santa's_on_P Santa's_on_P wrote:

tiger sharks are one of the few sharks you can swim with in the wild. strange but true...
 
You can swim with any type of shark or any sea creature in the wild
for that matter including seawater crocs.
 
Surviving is the only problem likely to be encountered.


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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 10:33am
surviving yerp to some degree there is some yahoo out there in africa that swims with whites...and gets away with it. as he stated.. you have to know what your doing.. 


Posted By: herby
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 10:37am
Santa.... which sharks can't you swim with?


Posted By: Wanda_Ra
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 11:14am
Most divers in most coutries would at some time have seen a shark and had one check them out from only a few feet away. Mostly these incidents are pretty cool encounters.
 
Its the ones that race up behind you out of the blue and have a chew that are the issue.
 
Found this site http://bigbluetechnews.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/sharkinfested-beaches-world/ - http://bigbluetechnews.wordpress.com/2009/01/14/sharkinfested-beaches-world/   but the bit that stood out to me was  " In early May of this year, a swimmer was bitten on the foot by an 18-foot-long tiger shark in about 14 feet of water off of a south Maui beach."  Any shark 18ft long is massive and to me biting your foot means it was not really interested or curious.
 
Does conditioning Sharks to recognise the smellof fodd in the water with divers seem a little nuts?  http://www.sharkdivermag.com/tigershark.html - http://www.sharkdivermag.com/tigershark.html


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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 11:46am
Originally posted by herby herby wrote:

Santa.... which sharks can't you swim with?
 i only feed my elves to sharks i dont swim with them.. let the other nut bars do that.. be back soon i have venison to tend to in the chiller...


Posted By: Mullins
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 12:11pm
Santa is on P....


Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 12:50pm
Originally posted by Santa's_on_P Santa's_on_P wrote:

surviving yerp to some degree there is some yahoo out there in africa that swims with whites...and gets away with it. as he stated.. you have to know what your doing.. 

 Imagine that learning curve :D 


Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 1:58pm
Closets i have been to a bull shark was in  queensland saw one having a go at the mullet near the river entrance. poddy mullet i think. any who  any shark will have a go at ya there is no fate like what we make it. we set foot in there domain and we have to suffer for it. i am so glad the whites are fully protected now,  pigs such as hislop will now have to stop  killing them. all sharks should be left alone
they thin out the weak and sick and gives us movies like open water and jaws. with out them it would be just dam porn all the time....


Posted By: Wanda_Ra
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by Santa's_on_P Santa's_on_P wrote:

Closets i have been to a bull shark was in  queensland saw one having a go at the mullet near the river entrance. poddy mullet i think. any who  any shark will have a go at ya there is no fate like what we make it. we set foot in there domain and we have to suffer for it. i am so glad the whites are fully protected now,  pigs such as hislop will now have to stop  killing them. all sharks should be left alone
they thin out the weak and sick and gives us movies like open water and jaws. with out them it would be just dam porn all the time....
 
just what are you admitting to here.....
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 6:07pm
I like horror movies i do not like porn gets the elves to excited when on the bourbon!..

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Posted By: Jaapie
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 12:17pm

To follow up my last post, here is the data I was talking about and the study of the Bull Shark (Zambezi) in South Africa.

The SA shark conservancy organisation funded a research on these animals and tagged an absolute doozi of a shark. They estimated it to be over the 550kg mark (the biggest ever caught!)

 

I quote below...

 

I write to give you the details of our research expedition to the Breede River during the week January 19-25.

The purpose of the expedition was to determine whether reports of Zambezi (bull) sharks in the Breede River could be confirmed.  Scientifically, confirmed reports would be extremely relevant on a global scale as this would represent the most south-westerly distribution of bull sharks in Africa.

Joining us on the expedition was Dr. Steve Lamberth and his team from MCM, Hennie Papenfuss from Big Fish Safari and a team of four from SASC.  We fished for 3 days with no luck & were rewarded on the 4th day when Hennie caught a bull shark on his line.  After an hour and a half struggle with the fish (during which it towed him 2.5km further upstream), Hennie managed to tire her enough to bring her close to shore for landing.  Our team then brought her carefully to the shore, where we were able to collect all the required data. 

We measured her, tagged her with two acoustic continuous tags and one spaghetti tag, and gathered genetic samples in order to determine whether bull sharks in the Breede River represent a distinct population from those found elsewhere in South Africa

She is a world-record breaking shark measuring 4 metres total length, weighing in the vicinity of 550-600kg.  This is the largest bull shark known to science - the previous maximum size was thought to be 3.5 metres TL.  We also suspect she was heavily pregnant and may very well be using the Breede as a pupping ground.  Scientifically speaking, this discovery is huge and groundbreaking.

Following the tagging, we proceeded to track her for 43 continuous hours.  She spent the majority of the time in the estuary, with only a few hours in the surf zone just outside the river mouth.

 

The only other reported nursery & pupping ground for this species in South Africa is the St. Lucia estuary, which has been proven to be no longer suitable for maintaining a healthy Zambezi shark population.  Recent studies by Sabine Wintner of the Natal Sharks Board seem to suggest there is a nursery area in the Umgazana, but more conclusive research needs to be done.

If the Breede River is a pupping/nursery area for Zambi's (in what is now proven to be their most south-westerly distribution in South Africa), they should be afforded some level of protection to ensure continued recruitment into the population in South Africa.

Meaghen McCord

 

As a youngster I befriended quite a few of the Sharks Board scientists and researchers and often donated specimens for the cause. Sadly, there was always a lack of funding.



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Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by Jaapie Jaapie wrote:


 

The only other reported nursery & pupping ground for this species in South Africa is the St. Lucia estuary,

 

As a youngster I befriended quite a few of the Sharks Board scientists and researchers and often donated specimens for the cause. Sadly, there was always a lack of funding.



They still get some hua's from that area on swimbaits I am pretty sure a 227 or something close to that was pulled out there one a live diamond skate of about 15kgs.

I still remember getting up at the crack of dawn to hit Inyoni rocks with my little bro when we were 11 and 12 and to make sure we got see what the sharkboard boat brought in, have seen 200kg+ sandshark and number of small bulls, a tiger and a juvey GW that once they untangled it from the net it had been heading from inshore around toti main beach out.

We also used to help them by biffing a couple duskies in the salt water public pools to keep the rocks quiet and hassle free on public holidays as no one would go swimming and lifeguards wouldn't be assed trying to get them out LOL and used to biff the smaller milky's into rock pools with the bait and charge vaalies R10 a pop to let there kids try catch them with sprat nets LOL then the tide or a wave would come in a they would swim out

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Posted By: Tinky
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 5:26pm
Did a dive at Ponto in Mozambique a few years back on a pinnacle about 35m deep. When we hit the bottom,(5 divers) we were joined initially by two zambezis, and soon afterwards another two. They just kept circling us about 15m - 20m away. Next thing we had 5 hammerheads above us as well. That was awasome, but they did not stay long and bugged out quickly. With only a short bottom time at that depth, we came up as a group and the four zambezis followed us all the way up to just short of the surface. Needless to say we did not hang around on the surface for too long! But never did they get closer than about 15m from us, and never showed any agro towards us at all.
 
Another site in SA where all types of sharks can be encountered is Protea banks (just south of Durban) where zambezis, whites, hammerheads and lots of raggies (grey nurse) can be seen all on a single dive. That is not a dive for the faint hearted at all.


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Posted By: Jaapie
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 5:39pm
Yeah Tinky mate, Protea Banks can be filthy with sharks at times.
Out off the coast from Umkomaas -
 
Some good game fishing there as well we used to do if you could past the tax man.
Raggie Cave is well known in the diving circles. Do the night dive mate - talk about the arsehole puckering up tighter than a scotsman wallet LOL
 
The sardines were thick down the south coast about 2 weeks back from e-mails and photo's I got.
Lot of bronzies in amongst the chaos as well. No one mentioned Zambezis though.
 


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Posted By: alan syme
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 5:56pm
i am thinking that nz waters may be too cold for bull sharks also, the article mentioned the big one caught to be the most southwesterly known distribution in south africa. also as far as i know bull sharks are found in warmer water places/states like florida and queensland compared to baltimore ,new york, new jersey etc in usa and victoria, southern nsw and south australia in aussie. nz's winter water temps would not be to their liking.



Posted By: SumDumBum
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2011 at 11:10am
yep NZ  water is way too cold for the Bull  / Zambezi shark....
 
http://oceanofk.org/tag/Tagmigrate/ddisttemp.html - http://oceanofk.org/tag/Tagmigrate/ddisttemp.html

Ocean Regions

Heat from the sun warms the world's oceans near the Equator. This heat is gradually circulated through the oceans by currents. Since these waters are always being warmed, they maintain high year round temperatures (21° - 30° C, 69.8° - 86° F) and are known as the Tropical Regions of the world's oceans. Certain sharks, such as the nurse shark , the tiger shark and the bull shark, are only comfortable in these warm waters where food is plentiful, so they remain there year-round without migrating.



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Posted By: long john
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 7:59pm
na, in summer, it'd be fine. I'm sure the odd one makes it here from time to time but the winter'd bump them off for sure or have them heading north. As others have pointed out, being coastal as opposed to pelagic, they aren't inclined toward major oceanic voyages but their wide distribution proves they are well capable of it if they get the urge.

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Posted By: Wanda_Ra
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 11:56pm

Saw a yellow sea snake that was crawling around in the surf at bethells beach a few years back,if they can amke it here from oz im betting a bigger bitey could,but it sure wouldnt like the water temp in winter.

 
Same situation with the sea turtles i suppose that end up on a downward spiral once they hit halfway down north island waters..


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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 12:14am
A lot of sea life gets biffed n tossed on to nz shores or they travel from larvae and drift to warmer parts and grow up there.  


Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 10:07am
Originally posted by part-timer part-timer wrote:

Originally posted by Zambizi Zambizi wrote:

Does anyone have a contact at Te Papa?

That would answer it
Clive Roberts <[email protected]>


Clive is the man...  been very helpful to me over the years
 
Sent him an email, will post the reply if I get one.


Posted By: Bruce
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 9:47pm
Thought I saw one once, but it turned out to be the missus carrying a sack of mussels.

Seriously;
seems to be a trend here that; depth, distance and temperature are why they can/can't come.
What about natural prey, water salinity, threats/ predators   etc. They havent been here since "records were kept" so should we be worried now?


Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 10:04pm
Originally posted by Moocha Moocha wrote:

Originally posted by part-timer part-timer wrote:

Originally posted by Zambizi Zambizi wrote:

Does anyone have a contact at Te Papa?

That would answer it
Clive Roberts <[email protected]>


Clive is the man...  been very helpful to me over the years
 
Sent him an email, will post the reply if I get one.
 

Clive is usually back with an answer within a day or two from my experience...  hes very generous with his time...

J


Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 10:13pm
ps...  but obviously its not his job to reply to endless inquiries about all things that we the public want to know...  so his reply's are short and sharp..    from my dealings with him as a rec fisher over the years hes been great to deal with..   A top Man!!!


Posted By: flyfisher
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 10:18pm
I hooked this 'lil Bull about 1m long earlier in the year in the Brisbane river flicking soft plastics for Bream on the mud flats.

Put up one of the best fights I have ever had on light tackle, the tiny Stella spool was marginal to touch after the first run - it wasn't foul-hooked initially, not sure how the lure came out to embed in the tail half way through the fight, made the mistake of trying to net it with a brand new enviro-net as you can see....  Seriously smoking wee fish on 3lb braid.

Saw some daddy's as well around 2m well up into the freshwater (10km up river!), very much like Bronzies and Porbeagles - VERY deep in the body and fast. Cool fish IMO, but bloody dangerous in packs.




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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 10:25pm
During the wet season you get more at the river mouths than most. as that's where most food get's flushed out and easy prey. just like fishing for barrars and mollys.

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Posted By: Raumatibeach
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2011 at 5:35pm
I remember following the story of the shark caught in earlier in the thread, an article in the paper said it was later confirmed to be a bronzie not a bull.

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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2011 at 1:57pm
I just had an email reply back from Clive Roberts at Te Papa and is cut and pasted below with his consent.
 
Hi MARK,
 
Thanks for your email. Sorry it has taken a while to reply. Busy, busy.
 
Yes, an interesting question about the bull shark occurring in NZ waters. There is no obvious reason why it should not be here; but the fact of the matter is that there has been no verified record of the species in our waters (the NZ EEZ).
 
The fish you gave a link to that was reported in January 2006 from off D'Urville Island, on examination turned out to be a bronze whaler.
 
Whaler sharks (family Carcharhinidae) are not easy to accurately identify, requiring details of teeth counts and form, plus measurements of parts of the body (e.g. snout length, size and position of a dorsal fin, etc.). Photos, although helpful, are inadequate on their own. Hence, any suspect bull shark taken off NZ should be kept frozen or on ice and be examined by an expert. Both are not easy to come by!
 
We can handle a shark specimen up to about 2.5 m in length here at Te Papa Tory Street, but it would have to be an important specimen (such as first specimen of a bull shark from NZ) before we could accept it as a voucher for permanent storage.
 
You may send my reply to your angling colleagues - maybe one day a bull shark will be captured and recognised, it is certainly possible.
 
Best wishes, CLIVE.
 
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Curator of Fishes
Museum of NZ Te Papa Tongarewa
169 Tory Street, PO Box 467
Wellington, New Zealand
Tel:  0064-4-381-7311
Fax:  0064-4-381-7310
Email: 
mailto:[email protected] - [email protected]


Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2011 at 2:02pm
orly

Thanks for that mate.


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Posted By: skidder
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2011 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by Bruce Bruce wrote:

Thought I saw one once, but it turned out to be the missus carrying a sack of mussels.

Seriously;
seems to be a trend here that; depth, distance and temperature are why they can/can't come.
What about natural prey, water salinity, threats/ predators   etc. They havent been here since "records were kept" so should we be worried now?
 
Did she share the mussels Bruce?? Tongue
 
With Global Warming (yeah right) we might see more visitors from the sub tropics.......


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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2011 at 9:25pm
that is way cool Moocha, well done, great effort going to all that trouble...

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Posted By: Corokingi
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2011 at 7:42am
If one will or has made it down here i bet it will be of decent size like the tigers that follow the dead whales.


Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2011 at 7:57am
I still want to try for one up cape reinga/tapotupotu. 

some of the locals I spoke reckon they get them off the beaches jan - march last time I was up.

Live tope/ray should do it if they do come in that close.  I don't imagine it would be in any huge numbers.


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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2011 at 2:10pm
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3756527/Bride-sees-shark-eat-groom-in-Seychelles.html - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3756527/Bride-sees-shark-eat-groom-in-Seychelles.html


Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2011 at 2:38pm
"The latest bite marks are consistent with that of a Bull shark. It is probably the same rogue maneater."

the first half of that sounds intelligent, then it goes to ****






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Posted By: Corokingi
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2011 at 5:35pm
bet the hunt will be on for that so called rogue



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