Centre Console advice
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Topic: Centre Console advice
Posted By: Seadoc
Subject: Centre Console advice
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 1:09pm
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I am thinking of getting a 4.7m centre console. The boats that tickle my fancy are the CC's from Scorpion, Maclay and Surtees (they say the can build the new 4.7 in a CC)
Any comments/advice ? |
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Posted By: Husky
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 1:22pm
....if you don't mind getting wet they are ok, do you take your partner fishing?, they hate getting wet!  Mac do their hulls in cc as well, very stable at rest.
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Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 1:28pm
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Wet & cold. No storage. They are great to fish from on nice warm windless days. Had one, a Buccaneer ... never again. ------------- Nobody has ever come up with a great idea after a second bottle of water. |
Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 3:27pm
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Saw a new McLay 5m cc. It was slick and very p o r n o! Had plenty of storage under the front deck area and in the console. Would be a fantastic boat for doing salt water fly from. ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Carbine
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 3:32pm
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Read the coast to coast on the 4,7 surtees if i had of known i would not have got the stabi 459 ------------- 
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Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 5:12pm
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Thanks for the replies fellas! I have made up my mind on the size and layout I want and was hoping to get some response from owners or people who have been in some of the mentioned boats. Carbine, I have read that test and contacted Surtees straight away about building it as a CC. They say it is no problem. It seems like a very nice hull.
Bender, I have a 620 Rayglass and a 380 Stacer Seasprite. I far prefer the open Seasprite to fish from. It is very well fitted out and organised and storage is no problem. I very seldom fish with bait so do not need a lot of storage space.I plan to sell them both and go for something in between. I don't mind a bit of spray now and then and for my purposes the cabin on the Rayglass is a waste of space! |
Posted By: tobez
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 8:29pm
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get one!!...CC's are great! if i had money i would get one family only come out in nice weather anyway. ------------- Waikato North Harbourmaster...Got a Nav Safety question for the Waikato region?...call me 021705642 or download the app Marine Mate! |
Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 8:45pm
| That's my thinking too! |
Posted By: batfastard
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 8:51pm
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mate i went through what your going through now 4 years ago.the scorpion has a poor build quality.they seem to be almost as flat in the v as a dory.and when we test drove it it pouned.we ended up getting a 5.5m surtees cc.top boat .the 4.7 seems to be a cut off 5.5.good build.very dry stable at rest with the flooding keel.cant speak hyly enough of it. ------------- As my wife catches bigger fish than me, does that make me a bad fisherman or a great skipper....... |
Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 9:03am
| Yeah, I am definitely leaning towards the Surtees. I agree the deadrise on the Scorpion is a worry and the Surtees will probably hold it's value better too. Do you have some pics of your deck layout? I like the idea Brown has in another thread about a raised foredeck with storage space underneath. I would probably also go for a 60 fourstroke Yammie rather than the 40 Honda they fitted to the test boat. That 40 seems a bit marginal to me! |
Posted By: batfastard
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 7:41pm
seadoc,just bought 2x60 hp fs yamms got the mean deal.if you want can see if i can get you the same deal.will post some pics ..  ------------- As my wife catches bigger fish than me, does that make me a bad fisherman or a great skipper....... |
Posted By: batfastard
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 8:12pm
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we got those clears made for the wet and cold days .they worked real well.80ltrs of fuel under floor.100ltrs in the base of cc.dry storage in cc ,screen folds down for towing and storage.mean boat.you can ring me for a chat on 021361824 if you want .cheers mike ------------- As my wife catches bigger fish than me, does that make me a bad fisherman or a great skipper....... |
Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 8:26pm
| Hey, Mike, you are a legend! It looks like the Rayglass might be sold this weekend pending sea trails and then it is all systems go. I would be more than interested in the engine deal! |
Posted By: Joker
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2008 at 10:04pm
| Hi I got a 5.35 Scorpion C/C that is a beaut ride. Dont be put off by a moderate vee at the back cos C/C s ride much better than the cabin variants and have better speed for the same RPM which means more miles per litre. My boat is just 1 year old and has a great build quality, dry for a C/C, rides well and great fishability. Guys on the forum reckon the smaller Surtees are a wet boat. |
Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2008 at 8:22pm
| Thanks Joker. Any chance of me having a look at your boat? |
Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 4:22pm
My missus comes out with me jigging in mine on ****ty days when the Oldies are looking from the beach thinking MAYBE or MAYBE NOT  DRESS FOR THE CONDITIONS...The faster you drive them the wetter you get and thats only on Windy days...------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fans-Of-Synit-Rods/137662896327800 |
tobez wrote:Posted By: bigjafa
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2008 at 12:09am
| You can't know much about boats if you are comparing a mac cc to a surtees. i have sold my mac and now own a 4.7 surtees no comparison at all. the mac is a wet boat wave thumping pig handling . the surtees is an awesome wave cutting very dry boat. very highly recomended to call a surtees dealer and atleast try one..., highly recomended ..you wount be wasting your time |
Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2008 at 9:15pm
| Thank you for the advice bigjafa. I think you are confusing a Mac with a Maclay. I certainly do not think I know everything about boats - that is why I asked fellow forum members for their opinion! I do agree with your choice though and will take delivery of a centre console 4.7 Surtees next Wednesday (my 8th boat) |
Posted By: Joker
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2008 at 10:08pm
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there is a good write-up of the Scorpion 470 in fishing news November edition.
Seadoc - did you get yourself sorted out and if so what did you get?
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Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2008 at 5:50am
| Hi Joker, yes, I read the write-up in the Fishing news. I decided in the end to order a Surtees and am driving down to Whakatane on friday to pick it up. Will keep in contact re the fishing trips! |
Posted By: Bounty Hunter
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2008 at 8:10am
put up some pics when youve got it - id be most interested in checking it out ------------- No disintegrations! |
Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2008 at 10:56am
| No problem BH, I will do the electronic fit out over the weekend and post some pics then. I noticed in the write-up they mention a problem with too much weight in the back - hopefully mine will be OK as I have the battery in the console and have the fuel in an under floor tank under the console so quite a bit of weight will be removed from the transom. |
Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2008 at 12:31am
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anyone know how to get hold of a stabi like the one Watson uses on ITM show? How mack etc..............
Murf ------------- The Bull Sh*t stops when the first jig drops |
Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2008 at 9:11am
| Stabi manufactures a "Matt Watson" 389 CC . You will find it on their website or contact any Stabi dealer. |
Posted By: tobez
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2008 at 5:50pm
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hey ian
RRP is $29 with an f40 - can do you a quote if you like ------------- Waikato North Harbourmaster...Got a Nav Safety question for the Waikato region?...call me 021705642 or download the app Marine Mate! |
Posted By: Spearsniper
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2008 at 11:37am
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You could look at Frewza instead of the Stabi - save yourself a few $$
There is a good thread on here about it - http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29137 - http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29137
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Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2008 at 8:47pm
I picked the little Surtees up from the factory at Whakatane on Friday. The end result is better than I was hoping for and the boat just looks right!
The centre console is not too wide to leave enough space to move around and the windscreen folds down for trailering and garaging 
The cockpit is huge for a boat of this size. Fuel is underfloor, battery in the cc and the area where the battery normally go is now a lockable compartment - neat! 
The area in front of the centre console easily accommodates one soft bait casting fisho. 
I took it for a little shakedown this afternoon from Takapuna and she handled the slop extremely well. 
One happy chappy! 
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Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2008 at 9:10pm
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Nice setup. Would be a great unit to launch off the beach and sneak around those reefs. ------------- ---/--- Better a Slackline that goes Tight than a Tightline that Goes Snap. |
Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2008 at 10:24pm
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Looks great Seadoc. Hope you get much pleasure. As a matter of interest, does it have the flooding ballast chamber in the keel? |
Posted By: tobez
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2008 at 8:21am
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very nice indeed ------------- Waikato North Harbourmaster...Got a Nav Safety question for the Waikato region?...call me 021705642 or download the app Marine Mate! |
Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2008 at 8:34am
| Thanks for the kind words! Launching and retrieving is a piece of cake for 1 person. The complete rig on the trailer with the 60hp four stroke apparently weighs less than 650kg. Yes, Keith, it has a flooding ballast in the keel with a shut off flap to lock the ballast in for added weight when you steam in rough water. |
Posted By: Spearsniper
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2008 at 5:08pm
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Seadoc - What was the damage for the hull + trailer if you don't mind me asking?
It looks like I will be in the market for a new boat in the 4.3 - 4.7 meter range shortly, so would like to keep my options open.
How is the Surtees stability wise when at rest? I will be freediving out of the new boat, so will be pulling myself over the side to get back in.
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Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2008 at 7:23pm
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Hi Spearsniper, the hull was $10,000 including the cc and underfloor fuel tank and water separator. To relocate the battery to the cc was $200. The trailer was $3,000. The complete boat with WOF, Rego, 60hp four stroke Yammie, hydraulic steering, painted and Nyalic for the rest (as you see in the 'photo's) was $28,785.
Stability is excellent. You don't have to pull yourself over the side - it comes with a boarding ladder. You are welcome to PM me and you can come for a ride after a fishing trip. So far the boat has exceeded all my expectations. I took it for a ride on the Manukau today to put some hours on the motor as part of the break-in time. It was fairly rough and it was no problem sitting at 4200rpm doing 40km/h. The ride is amazingly soft. Many people talk about the cc being wet but it did not seem to be a problem. No wetter than most other boats I have owned. I thought I might as well put down a dredge and the scollies were in excellent condition! The dear one is cooking them while I am typing this! I tried to upload some 'photos but for some reason was denied access!, and cheers Tobez, your advice worked! 
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Posted By: tobez
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2008 at 7:58pm
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re try it but use the '' edit post'' system ------------- Waikato North Harbourmaster...Got a Nav Safety question for the Waikato region?...call me 021705642 or download the app Marine Mate! |
Posted By: batfastard
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2008 at 10:46pm
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its come up nice seadoc,they do a good job down at surtees,how much under floor fuel do you have. ------------- As my wife catches bigger fish than me, does that make me a bad fisherman or a great skipper....... |
Posted By: tobez
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 6:32am
 ------------- Waikato North Harbourmaster...Got a Nav Safety question for the Waikato region?...call me 021705642 or download the app Marine Mate! |
Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 10:06am
| Hi Mike, it holds 40 liters. That should be enough for 200km cruising at 4000rpm !! |
Posted By: Spearsniper
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 11:41am
| Seadoc - looks like there is a sh|t load of deck space on that little boat. Can you advise of the internal and external width of the hull, and the overall width on the trailer. I tried to get this from the surtees website, but the 4.7 does not feature on there. I have a concrete pad to put the boat on, and with the house on one side and a fence on the other, I am limited to what will fit. Thanks. |
Posted By: Bounty Hunter
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 5:04pm
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looks pretty cool - a 'big' little rig. i like your electronics - exactly the choice i would have made too. ------------- No disintegrations! |
Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 8:24pm
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Spearsniper, the internal width is 154cm, external width 2m, trailer width 225cm. If need be, I think one could move the trailer wheels in by about 5cm a side.
BH, I did quite a bit of reading on the electronics and the consensus seems to be that you get the most "bang for your bucks" with that setup! It is built to survey standards so really is a solid little vessel |
Posted By: batfastard
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 8:44pm
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seadoc how much buck did it cost for your bang in electrics ------------- As my wife catches bigger fish than me, does that make me a bad fisherman or a great skipper....... |
Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 10:30pm
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$2900 give or take a few dollars for the fishfinder and GPS including the transducer and the Navionics Gold Map, Mike. The GRE VHF and FM/AM radios including antennas were another $500
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Posted By: batfastard
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 11:20pm
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cheers mate ------------- As my wife catches bigger fish than me, does that make me a bad fisherman or a great skipper....... |
Posted By: Spearsniper
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2008 at 7:59pm
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Thanks for the dimensions Seadoc. The trailer would just fit - but less than 25mm clearance on each side. Emailed the guys at Surtees about narrowing the trailer, but a no-go. Their suggestion is to look for a different make of trailer. The Dunbier trailers are 2060mm wide, so fit the bill perfectly. I am just waiting for the price to come back for the Dunbier before throwing down a deposit for a 4.7CC.
Having had a couple of outings to get a feel for the boat, is there anything you would change if you were to get another one built?
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Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2008 at 9:06pm
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Hi Spearsniper, The only thing so far that I would change would be to fit handrails to the cc for the crew to hold on to. I am very impressed with the performance of the hull and so are the mates who have been on the boat. It really rides like a much bigger boat and is not at all a wet boat. Maybe a shelf in the cc might also give a bit of extra storage space.
Good luck with your purchase! Mine fits inside my garage with centimeters to spare on the top, sides and length. |
Posted By: Spearsniper
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2008 at 8:48pm
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I managed to sort a trailer. The best priced multi roller trailer was GT Trailers, and they will customise it to make it 100mm narrower. For an additional $150 they will add LED lights which is a real bonus for my setup - I have a 4WD that runs 24Volt electrics, and the LED tail lights work with 12V & 24V. No nore having to swap bulbs when I use a different tow vehicle.
The final price of the GT trailer is significantly more than the one Surtees can provide, but will mean that I can get the rig I want.
Just heard about a motor (thanks batfastard), so looks like I will be getting the same setup as Seadoc
 , just with a different trailer. |
Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2008 at 8:56pm
 Good stuff Q------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fans-Of-Synit-Rods/137662896327800 |
Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2008 at 10:04pm
| I am happy for you! |
Posted By: Nathan
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2008 at 4:10pm
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Nice looking rig - was the price you paid for the cc set up more or less than the standard hull price. Surtees will have saved on ali and windscreen, but more hours perhaps customising it for you.
Ive got a 10 year old 4.7m Ramco. The size suits me. Easy to tow, easy to launch, not so bad on gas, and can do most things I want to do. Those surtees look like a good replacement - although I'd probably stick to the standard set up.
I see Mclay is doing a smaller version of their boats now too. Been a long time in coming. Always been a gap in the market between a 4m open dinghy to a 5.5 metre cuddy cabin style.
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Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2008 at 6:43pm
| Yes, Nathan, the price is the same, I basically got the underfloor fuel tank thrown in . I agree with your sentiments about the advantages of a smaller boat! |
Posted By: Spearsniper
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2008 at 9:22pm
Finally took ownership of my Surtees 4.7 CC 
Got the console changed slightly - shelf in it, grab rails, no fold down option required on this one, as it is stored beside the house. On top of the console is a platform to mount the VHF and GPS aerials.
After a small issue with the fuel line being squeezed shut by a cable tie, we took about taking the boat for a spin - just awesome. Mind you the sea conditions were pretty good.
This weeks job is to install the electronics, so I can determine the top speed, fuel economy etc when I am next out.
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Posted By: CanadianJohn
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2008 at 9:34pm
| nice ride bro! |
Posted By: brown
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2008 at 9:58pm
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sweet compact unit there Ss
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Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2008 at 10:14am
| That's great news mate! I like your extra shelf in the cc and was thinking yesterday to ask Surtees to fit one on mine. I hope you will be as happy with yours as I am with mine! |
Posted By: Spearsniper
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2008 at 11:53am
The shelf was definately a good idea, effectively doubling the storage  . (thanks Seadoc for the idea).
Seadoc - where did you mount your VHF?
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Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2008 at 12:55pm
I mounted it inside the CC. Will post piccies this evening. |
Posted By: KeenAs
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2008 at 1:32pm
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Thats well cool!!!!
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Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2008 at 9:39pm
SS, I mounted my VHF on the right and the stereo on the left. there is enough of a lip at the top of the cc opening to mount the brackets. Hope this helps! 
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2008 at 7:38am
Been reading this thread with interest Nice setup Seadoc I have just bought a 6.1 Surtees cc so will take some pics today and post tonight. Awesome sea boat and SOFT riding, not like most other tinnies. -------------  www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: tobez
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2008 at 7:48pm
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cool kev...when you bringing it over for some blooding? ------------- Waikato North Harbourmaster...Got a Nav Safety question for the Waikato region?...call me 021705642 or download the app Marine Mate! |
Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2008 at 7:53pm
Nice Q...sweet ride bro Is it what you wanted?? Amazing how over the years our needs and wants have changed...You go hard cuz ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fans-Of-Synit-Rods/137662896327800 |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2008 at 8:51pm
 photos of my Surtees cc, 6.1m Bar Crusher hull(was originallly on the Island Escape)    great riding hull and with the hard top, a bit of cover from the weather, got some clears getting made to stop the spray on windy days but very impressed on what some people call cc boats "wet". Been to the Mayor and beyond and half way to the Red Mercs from Whangamata, NO problems  Next mission is a marlin SOLO  ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2008 at 9:04pm
| Very nice Kevin. Was this boat parked on the OBC hardstand for a while? I recall seeing a similar boat there. I agree with your comments on the dryness of the CC - mine is also no more wet than most boats I have been on. |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2008 at 9:14pm
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Seadoc. Could have been.The Island Escape is parked at princess wharf and this tender was parked in Orams drystack for a while, they now have 2x 7.2m marco cc with 200hp Yamahas. Tobez.... will come up to Whitianga for a play over Xmas/new year some time(will give you a buzz ) will slay some fish------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2008 at 8:15pm
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Just gazing longingly at Milan's CC in the latest C2C damn that's a weapon and a half would love to know what the ball park figure on it is , bloody impressive. Took me a while to figure out that the review was on page 74 rather than 128 as in the index... must be nearly Friday I am a bit slow on the up take  |
Posted By: brown
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2008 at 9:13pm
thats a sweet boat Kev had it on my watchlist too
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Posted By: car_nut
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2008 at 6:01pm
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Hi Seadoc and Spearsniper,
I to have just got a 4.7 cc, will post photos soon.
Have a couple of questions for you. Mine has an etec 60hp on the back and I find I have to give it everything to get it up on the plane, once its up I dont have any dramas, just wondering how you guys get on with your Yamahas. Thinking I might need to change props? I have gone from a 6.2m stabicraft to this so maybe my expectations are a little high?
Also, mine has a top speed of around 30mph/50kph is that similar to yours?
Love how stable it is for a small boat and the fishing room, looking forward to lots to softbaitong once the weather sorts its self out.
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Posted By: Spearsniper
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2008 at 6:35pm
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Car_nut...mine takes a little to get up and going if the ballast water needs to drain. Otherwise it is really quite quick to get out of the hole.
No idea of the top speed , as I am just fitting the electronics this weekend.
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Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2008 at 6:13pm
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Car_nut, as SS said. I am swinging a 13inch pitch prop and get about 55km/h. I have not really tested the boat's top speed in calm conditions yet and will post some feedback once I have done so.
It is an awesome softbait platform - stable at rest, very large fishing space,economical and cute looking too! I have gone from a 6.2 Rayglass and 3.8 Stacer combo, no regrets! Congratulations and good luck with your purchace! |
Posted By: Spearsniper
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2008 at 9:47am
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Car_nut...mine is doing 51km/h with 3 POB, and dive gear.
Running a 17" stainless prop (high thrust version of the Yammy 60).
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Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2008 at 10:05am
Cheers for the Kaimoana cuz we were in heaven..Bunzo had a nice feed also ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fans-Of-Synit-Rods/137662896327800 |
Posted By: Spearsniper
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2008 at 10:58am
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Here's the final layout of the CC  |
Posted By: car_nut
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2008 at 11:43am
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Thanks for the feed back guys. I had 2 people on board and all the fishing gear and got up to 54kph then yesterday with 4 on board and all the fishing gear got up to 45kph, really happy with my purchase, so easy and fuel efficient
Here are some pics of my boat.
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2008 at 10:48am
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sweet rig car-nut you will have some fun in that!!
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Posted By: Eric de Vries
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2009 at 1:25pm
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Nice weapen you've got there. Has yours got a boarding ladder or do you just pull yourself up and over the side like I do on my Stabi? ------------- http://www.southernbluefins.co.nz/ |
Posted By: Doubie
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2009 at 1:35pm
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Some nice rigs guys - I am very jealous. Love those Surtees hulls and have admired them for years. That Neil Surtees is a bloomin genius with some of his design work and gizmo's. Enjoy your time out on the water - safe travels and tight lines |
Posted By: Spearsniper
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2009 at 2:16pm
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Eric... as I see it, ladders are for bubble blowers and swimmers. I can easily pull myself over the side, or pop up onto the port side boarding platform. Another justification for the long bladed fin - saving money on boarding ladders
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Posted By: Eric de Vries
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2009 at 2:53pm
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Q...True. I guess that the boarding 'lip' is just wide enough to sit on it while taking the fins of. Great little feature i must admit. No doubt we will bump into each other at Kapiti or at the ramp one day.
Enjoy your boat mate cheers Eric ------------- http://www.southernbluefins.co.nz/ |