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Topic: Broadbill rig/tactics
Posted By: riga
Subject: Broadbill rig/tactics
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2008 at 7:53pm
Hi all, thought I would try and gain some your expert knowledge in the area of broadbill, all the talk of broadbill lately has got us excited so we are planning to head out for a night or two on the weekend of the 21st in the mayor knolls area if the weather looks good for our first broadbill mission.
Been doing a bit of research on here but wanting to clarify a few things regarding the terminal tackle used, and the type of rig to use? is the basic set up a ledger rig type or more of a strayline type rig, and the hook size somewhere between 12/0 and 16/0? and all on about 500lb leader?

Alot of questions I know but we have never done this before and would appreciate any advice!!



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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2008 at 8:04pm
I have not got one yet but managed to drop 5 in a couple of nights,
 
leader was 600lb 6m long but now 3m long and 500lb.
 
hooks are the biggest i could get, either super mutus circle or a monster J
 
bait is sewn on to leader and hook.
 
light stick just 1m above bait as is the sinker which is taped in place.
 
80lb tiagras on bent butts
 
lures same as for marlin and on 400lb light stick about 1m in front of lure and set on a down rigger,
 
more will come to mind, as i say a few hook ups with 1 to the boat in 40mins and then blew us a way in seconds pulling the hook 2 1/2 hours later bummer, lots of fun for sure and nothing fights like em.


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Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2008 at 8:09pm
cheers BA, yeh they sound like awesome fighting fish for sure and it makes it all the harder when its at night time, all in the thrill of the moment, why have you gone to the shorter leader? is it just to make it easier to handle near the boat? the rig you explained sounds like what i thought we would give a try, we will be stoked if we have as many bites as you have had? what baits are the best to use and is it a case of bigger is better?


Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2008 at 8:20pm
we were going to have a drift at queens birthday but weather wasnt right, my bro scored some nice fresh big ass squid from the sandfords, we were going to use 400lb leader with 16/0 J hooks sowen on or even cable tied with light stick rubber banded on bout 1.5m up the leader, 80lb line class and reels, standup too, set baits at 30m and 80m with weights and a #32 rubber band as a break away, with the 80m bait as we dont have a down rigger was going to lower a good size weight tied on a rope to 80m with a #32 rubber band once hit pull the weight in and get into it,  still hoping to get out there for our first crack up that was along the lines we were going to do as our tactics 


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2008 at 8:23pm
sorry mate the shorter leader now is because i use windons can still run the long ones as well, the best baits have been skippies but for god sake dont cut em etc squid are good too and usually can be caught on site and riiged live, no i dont think size matters, reason i say this is i have talked to people who use live jack macs for them as well as dead buggers.
 
just make sure the hook is well exposed and is set long ways on the body of the fish with the point facing back at the tail. when i said we sew them we use a cable tie at the tail with a half hitch, reason is we want the hook to pull from the bait and travel along body of bait, the hope it to either gut hook or choke the broady, big J hooks are the best for this, like i say no expert just talked to the man doing it and putting time on the water into it, if its a bit snotty tow a lure or 3 you can still tow em with sinkers if you aint go a down rigger.


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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2008 at 8:27pm
when i was talking about the bait mate the hook is set in front of the dorsal fin and facing forward unlike a live bait set up, when your towing lures mate boat just in gear is the ticket the take is like no other, you will swear you are hooked up on weed, till you go to retrive the lure lol

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Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2008 at 8:38pm
awesome guys keep it coming please, chaffing at the bit to get out there now just a few more exams to go

saltiga we will be using the same gear as you and without a downrigger, when using the weight with the rope is their a fairly high chance that the two will tangle at all? never thought of sourcing bait from sanfords will have to pay them a visit and get some!!

cheers BA been looking at a few larger hooks but they sure arnt cheap, the trolling sounds very interesting especially as you say they all of a sudden just take off when you try to get the lure back haha

can't wait to hear the reel starting to scream if we are luky enough to get a bite, as long as it isnt a shark




Posted By: phantomdeviant
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2008 at 8:47pm

Hope your plan comes together riga. Expect a full report on your return. I could offer advice but I learnt all I know from BA and he's filling you in. Hell I've been strapped to ine for 6.5 hours and it was pulling harder then than when we first hooked it. Unfortunately the mainline parted but thats why they call it fishing.

The power of a broadie cant be comprehended untill you've been actually been in a sword fightLOL


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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2008 at 9:00pm

rigga where abouts are you?

if your in AK i am down there this weekend and have a wee set up you can use if you want to trow a lure, it was a down rigger set up i used to use.

the rope idea sam was saying, is the same really as a down rigger system without the fancy stuff, the line if set up right would be about 2m behing the weight so tangles are non existant, we did the same before i got a down rigger, when setting baits its just a dam big puka bomb set in place, if its too high the whole lot spirals and tangles hence why we have it about 1m or so.



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Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2008 at 10:17pm
thanks for the awesome offer BA but unfortunatly im down in dunedin at the moment at uni and won't be back in the good old north island until after exams, i can tell you thou the only thing getn me through these examz is the thought of being hooked up to a nice swordie once they are all over

never ceases to amaze me how generous everyone is on here with info and the lending of gear etc its just awesome


Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 10:27am
Regards rigging the hook. We used a 16 circle and lost a Broady because the bait (squid) got pulled down the line and choked the gap. So be sure to rig them so this can't happen. Bloody shame to wait for the elusive bite and drop it because of this. We rigged the light stick inside the bait and it still got nailed.
Check baits every couple hours as the squid can devastate even their own.
Somebody needs to be on watch all the time. Scary them ships in the dark. You just can't be sure their radar is good enough to pick you up or that they are watching it.
Only tried one night 2 years ago and both bites were on the shallow bait (20 -> 30m) Was a bit snotty so bait was probably even shallower and some think that the boat acts as a fad. The second fish was lost due to mainline failure.



Posted By: woollyok
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 10:38am

Well seems that everyone has swords on the brain, but I guess eveyone is still itching for a fight and sword fighting is certinely an experience Wacko.....

I'm no expert but have nailed 4 and been SMOKED by a few others...
 
Bait seems to be the key, structure is not always enough, and a good indication at this time of the year can be whales/dolphins... although that is probably preachin to the converted...
 
5 - 600lb mono, no wire as they have soft mouths and wire can wear a hole potentially resulting in pulling the hook...
 
caught them on squid and skippies, and they don't need to be huge in my book as the thing being able to gulp it down in one go vs chewing on it seems better for me, gut hooked fish are generally a bit easier to tame.... but not always I guess. thing for me is the soft mouth so gut hooked = less chance of a pulled hook hopefully
 
I shove a light stick into the squid as well as one on the trace as it looks cool LOL and maybe it might help poison the thing dead and assist me, no really just seems like the go thats all???
 
skippies I sew up as said on here with hook facing tail, hook held in place by a small cotton tie but all the weight coming off the trace tied at the tail so the hook can pull in easier.
 
I read on here to use BIG hooks but to be honest I never have although that might not be the right way to go?? I use a GOOD 12/0 hook and have caught a them with double hook rigs and also single so I guess it is a work in progress... but why not have two in the bait, might get a better grip LOL
 
lights stick 1 - 2m up the trace as according to them what knows the sword don't tangle in the trace, although one of the swords was hooked in the anal fin, so that was proved wrong and made for an interesting fight to say the least, 7 and three quater hrs of pain to the angler....
 
one bait at 80 - 100 m by using a down rigger and one under a balloon on the surface 20 - 30 m down just using the weight of the bait to get it there depending on the drift...
 
two baits for me, as I have noticed that when you get a hook into one it is less than organised chao's LOL and so only one other rig to clear seems easier for everone else wipin the sleep from there eye's...
 
once you hook one be aware, some have seemed to think that peru is nice at that time of the year and others have decided they want to get into your sleeping bag and unless you have a top crew with good gaffs and some STRONG cleats don't get fooled into flinging a gaff into it, you will regret it.........Ouch
 
tried live baits.... seemed that sharks beat them to them, but thats just me.... and watch the sharks also as they seem to be like dodo's at night and just swim to the boat, even the BIG ones, also a bit harder to see them when the start that back flipping rubbish...
 
tried trolling and had one on which fell off, definitely makes the night more comfortable except if noone else knows what to do and you the skipper are at it all night then the comfort level in my book dimishes... but for sure seems the go with some...
 
tried in the day with limited success but hey, it is done a lot...
 
get yourself a GOOD spotlight and preferable a couple of GOOd lights on the rocket launcher etc as I expect it would be interesting trying to gaff one with just a head lamp for light, also makes the fighting easier as the skipper can see the line...
 
best trick of all get out there on a nice night throw two baits in the water and enjoy the peace as it is an AWESOME feeling being out there on a good night , and hopefully it will be broken.... and then your angler will be Ouch..............
 
Be sure you eat your weetbix before you go!!!
 
 
 


Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 10:59am

Cheers woollyok awesome info by the sounds of things we gona definatly need a good feed of weetbix and a few redbull and such thrown in for good measure

so basically the skippie is rigged uplike a pillie is when straylining except on a larger scale

what about squid? is it best to plave the hook throught he head/eye hard area and then tie the main part of the body onto the hook and leave the tentacles dangling out nicely?

also as a last resort if all the skippies and bait has disapeared has  anyone used a whole kahawai to any effect, as i can imagine squid out there chewing through a bit of bait

also sounds as if you guys all encounter a swordy everytime you head out, just hope that we can have a chance to do battle with the king of the sea 



Posted By: *stu*
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 11:40am

How about this one.  I haven't done it but stumbled on this a while ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR15-dUO3OU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR15-dUO3OU
 
 


Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 12:07pm
Nice one STU,  thats an excellent presentation :)

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Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 12:15pm

yeh it looks the goods for sure thanks stu, only thing is that to place the leader through the mantle of the squid you would have to cut the leader off the swivel and then recrimp it each time you hade to rebait, or you could just place the leader along side the mantle and tie it in place using the same method

cheers ryan



Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 12:23pm
you wont have to cut the leader thimble off, just cut a bigger hole in the mantle, and then sow it up


Posted By: woollyok
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 1:53pm
Hey stu... aka riga
 
yeh skippie rigged same as a pilchard with the load coming on the trace at the tail not the hooks thats all. I don't half hitch the trace either as who knows whether a kink could matter later, I just ensure I use some wax thread and tie it to the trace so it doesn't slip then onto the tail (but not to much, it needs to come away).
 
I also clip the tail fins so they don't act as a large propeller, although the sampo can take care of it most times it's just less to worry about.
 
as for the squid, I just hooked as you say through the head area and then tied it down the body, and again pulling from the fin end so no load on the hooks.... but that is lazy i guess and the way they show on that clip is certinely tidier...
 
as for a bite each time, I'm not sure about others but I have done lot's of drifting and a bit of trolling for lots of nothing as well.... I was lucky enough to get two in one night which i guess is greedy but hey, when it's on who wants to go home...
 
Also I've found (but it would be awesome to hear about others experiences) that a bite was had not long after the bait went into the water, not to say at the start of the night but if you shift then put the bait in it was, one time almost instant, but also not longer than half an hour or so for most of the other bites...
 
not sure if this is how others have found it but I would be interested to hear, does it mean that the boat has drawn them in while running ??????? then slow trolling could for sure be the key ?????????
 
The only time it was longer was one night on the cavalli rise when it may have been about 1 - 2 hrs or so, and just as it had been decided that it was bluenose for breakfast so there was a guy on the bow getting spooled on bluenose while backing up LOL and a guy in the chair getin spooled on something big and mad till the hooks pulled.....Angry 
 
And as for the weetbix, if you soak them in redbull you'll go for gold for sure....Wacko
 
 
 


Posted By: camdog
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 5:09pm
this is how the yanks do it

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Posted By: camdog
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 5:10pm
another method of the yanks

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Posted By: phantomdeviant
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 5:45pm
Nice diagrams Cam dog similar to how we do it. Not sure bout the 250lb trace though

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Posted By: Game fish
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 7:06pm
Riga You heading out of Tauranga? I got some good squid from the Sanfords fish shop there they were a good bite size and fresh which I is also a key. What sized boat you heading out in?


Posted By: ski da mofo!!
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 7:53pm
i prefer a breakaway sinker  cause last thing ya want is 20 odd oz of lead flinging around in a headshake situation possibly pulling the hook out...
great to hear all the enthusiasm amongst the net ..get out there and have a go i know ive still got unfinished business with mr gladius....


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Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 8:10pm
yer id have my sinker on a #32 rubber band was the plan, I like your thinking ski


Posted By: anarchy
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 8:16pm
we have tried before with limited results out of tauranga, going to get out as soon as possible round mayor ways, found some reasonable areas over the summer months, we have been using empty 440 woodstock cans full of sand with a rubberband through the tab - abit cheaper than sinkers and its definately fun organising enough for a trip.


Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 9:00pm
cheers camdog for the diagrams think we are gona use something like the first diagram except with the sinker above the bait so it gives it a more natural look and the sword won't be able to resist

hi gamefish yeh we gna be headn out of tauranga towards the mayor knolls area so will be headn into sanfords for sure to source some squidys fresher the better too i reckon hopefully yeh can get a few live ones out there too cheers for the tip, we gna be headn out in a 6.7 surtees

break away sinker aye ski, **** that could get very expensive haha but the reasoning is very valid thou, may use something like what insignia was describing like a couple of old rusty spanners or something similar, still got a bit of time for planning that yet

i'v been looking at a few hooks and we are thinking along thelines of a 13/0 J hook, hoping for the fish to take the hook down and hook up on a hard part of the fish, what are your thoughts on that size and style of hook?

loving all the advice we are getn cheers fullas

Ryan


Posted By: ski da mofo!!
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2008 at 9:39pm
mutu hooks 14/0

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Posted By: phantomdeviant
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2008 at 6:00am
Go the super mutu'sThumbs%20Up

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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2008 at 8:00am
thanks for the input on this one wolly, its great to actually hear from someone who has caught them.
reading your thread we are more or less on the same page so it good to know we are doing it right, we have tried all thios on our own as there are not alot of people who go out and do it, rather they say what we should be doing lol.
 
with the sinker guys, i have talked to a few charter boys, they were saying bollocks to break away sinkers and said if your concerned with the hook being thrown then have the sinker fixxed in the bait so the whole lot gets take, only tried it once and found it a pain, so have it a meter or so up the leader.
 
yes the wire leader thing, was chatting a while back to a skipper who said they got a broady one night that was sliced right open from the mouth and part way down the body, seemed the wire acted as a knife etc etc, seems they dont give up?
 
yes the slipping of the bait onto the hook specially squid, yip have had it happen, have set the hook up in the mantel only now and it has not happened since.
 
keep the info coming guys, have been around but am learning heaps,
 
recon one weekend we should do the hell trip and nail the patch and the parenga canyons, what say you all. have the hell party at tom bowlings lol.


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Posted By: woollyok
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2008 at 8:45am
Hey Blue A
 
no worries at all, as I said I'm absolutely no expert and as you said you never stop learning.......... ever,
 
I don't run breakaway's either, just used 3 -4 oz ball sinkers taped to the leader, not one big hap sinker...then you can vary the amount of weight depending on the wind/drift.... if you get a good night your bait itself will be enough... to me it's like stray lining the less weight required the better it is ??? then the fish doesn't feel a bunch of weight when he grabs the bait... etc .... but the best option is a downrigger, 100m of wire and a good size weight then band it off and no weight at the bait at all. Bit of a pain if running light bands as they can let go but hey same as a bite from a stick face live baiting better to change a band all night but get a good bite than have the fish drop the bait due to to much weight... ????
 
like your idea about g patch and canyons then a party up there somewhere fryin up sword steaks on the bbq......Smile


Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2008 at 9:04am
hey BA and woollyok, decided i will use a system similar to what you two have described and basically have a big strayline out like you do for snapper except for a sword, with as woollyok mentioned the smaller the sinker the better and we may rig up a homemade type downrigger, managed to source a 25kg box of fresh squid for 60 bucks so will have plenty left over for snapper straylining haha

just gota get some hooks and some heavy leader and hope that the wethter plays ball

being learning heaps over the last few days cheers fullas keep it coming




Posted By: Game fish
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2008 at 9:19am
Where you get your box of squid from there riga?



Posted By: camdog
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2008 at 9:29am
Those diagrams are used in the day time for fishing down deep out of Florada, a few thousand feet sort of thing, they also are only catching little broadys, with most under 100 pound hence the light leader and small hooks. 

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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2008 at 10:55am
makes good sence camdog, hey riga i was going to lend you a 9/0 pen with heavy line it is set up on a 2m bent outrigger and stiff as, i ran a 10lb ball off it, makes for a very cheap down rigger and can be stored away or cut away lol if you have too.
 
yes woolly recon we should sort out a weekend and do it, recon we could get a few to tow up, best thing i feel about the area up here is the travel distance over water, true the tow up is a buger but then so is paying alot for fuel to travel from say omaha just to get there, the other point is the fact that the canyons and the patch are 1 huge playgound with unlimited oppurtunity.
 
hey riga good to see you have the baits but take a squid jig with you, if they are about you wont be sorry you have one, have rigged a few squid as livies and fresh is best.
 
good luck to you guys doing it, i get a blast being out there but have had pooy undies when whales pass you by in the middle of the night.
 
cant wait to do it again, its just a matter of time and weather.


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Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2008 at 10:04pm
hey BA and Wolly...  do you mean useing the downrigger while drifting so you dont have to add weight to the main line??  Jim


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2008 at 10:22pm
not me mate i only use it to trawl witha nd run a lure at 40m allowing for blow back at 3kts, what worries me doing as you have said is that there is potential for a tangle up with the release clip etc recon you can use a band etc with a tag line but i just like the thought of no real resistance when the lure is hit, when are you going for a looksee jim?

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Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2008 at 11:17pm
that would have been awesome thanks BA, we may rig up something similar then if we decide to have a troll around, definatly gona take out the squid jig or two, even if we dont need it for bait that night we can use it for another time or for a feed

gamefish we organised the box through the auckland fish market auctions, a 25kg box should last us for awhile

when we are setting up for the drift are we looking to drift over as much structure as possible or is it more of a matter of locating a school of baitfish and setting up a drift through them

chur




Posted By: woollyok
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2008 at 9:16am
Hey Blue A and Riga...
 
I use the down rigger drifting as well, I understand what you say about tangles but most nights you have wind of some kind in which case as long as you use a tag line and don't let it down really fast so that the line comes up you are fine, but thats just me, although that is only on nights with enough wind to warrant it, otherwise on a really nice night the bait itself with a small amount of weight is plenty...???
 
I have never had a problem with the down rigger as I have found on a night with wind you tend to do 1 kn or more drifting.... and the really nice nights where you get no wind (not sure I can remember many) then you can adapt your system....
 
with structure riga, the way I have done it but may not be right is if it is a sea mount set up to drift over it but have a stooge around also because the bait may be a little way off it if the current is pushing up out away off the top, thats where two lures/baits are ready to go so you can have those out when looking then your other rigs set up ready to go...
 
then you can set up to drift over the top and into the area of the bait.... the only down side with seamounts is that you can go over them quickly so you spend a lot of your night pulling everything in and re-setting.... but hey thats how it is sleep is minimal  LOL
 
with canyons I just set up to drift over the edge and have found that the bites have been as you go over the edge not on big flat barron area's, and then you can drift down one side and up the other if the wind/tide will let you....
 
the other trick back to the baits being rigged up is I have two traces on the go but also at least another two rigged with baits ready to go because when morrie the mako turns up and you loose all your gear then it is not much fun re-tying traces and rigging baits at 2 -3 in the morn. Rig them up and put them on ice then it is a quick change over...
 
I wantto go NOW.......... LOL


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2008 at 9:56am
some more good oil right there, thanks woolly, i see what your saying about the down rigger and drift, we were out at the cavali eamount a few weeks back now and in 8 hrs drifted 1.74nm set it all up to go nice over the ridge we approached and turned around lol, all the bait was on the other side.
 
hey riga we did a run over the knights rise wow what a place, any ways bait and all squid was from 200m to the surface and the whole screen was red, bloody awesome because of the amount of squid we elected to tow a lure and had a shot, block your ears cause these babies haul rrrrs.
 
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Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2008 at 11:24pm
chur woolly and BA, gona be at the mayor knolls which if im correct are a series of rises so will be hoping to setup a drift to cover as many of the rises as possible before having to relocate again, and if we go find some bait just keep drifting over top of that with the sea anchor out doing its thing

hope we get to experiance some of the bait and other goings on that the rest of you have reported while drifting overnight

can't wait to hear the reel scream


Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2008 at 11:46pm
Originally posted by Blue Asparagus Blue Asparagus wrote:

not me mate i only use it to trawl witha nd run a lure at 40m allowing for blow back at 3kts, what worries me doing as you have said is that there is potential for a tangle up with the release clip etc recon you can use a band etc with a tag line but i just like the thought of no real resistance when the lure is hit, when are you going for a looksee jim?
 
Thanks Steve...  I was worried about tangles too, thats why I asked..  but apparently it can be done...
 
If I go out with my brother we might try slow trolling or drifting... depends on the conditions
 
Jim


Posted By: J.C.
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2008 at 7:54am
Weather permitting i'm heading for a look off the west coast next weekend, have already sourced some large squid, what is you're fellas recommendation regards to hooks ie; offset or not? (will be drifting)
Cheers


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2008 at 9:23am
off set mate, give em plenty of time to swallow it, big circle are another good option.
I had heard through  the grape vine the west is a little quite, but hey you have to be into win, good luck.

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Posted By: kiwiboy_
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2008 at 9:35am
hi woolly, hope all is well, be good to catch up.


Posted By: J.C.
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2008 at 9:39am
Cheers BA
Glad you said offsets as just purchased a couple of boxes of 14/0 & 16/0 offset mustads. heard the manakau was a bit quite but heading further south. Mokau trench area, long range looking not too bad at this early stage.
Cheers


Posted By: bevan b
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2008 at 8:53pm
use wire or heavy mono.they WILL cut the lighter mono with there bill.
ive had it hapen


Posted By: blowy
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2008 at 10:05pm

thought i might have another crack at these broadbill one night poss next week in the mayor is area. after last time with not a touch at all not even a dirty old shark had me wondering if i was on the right track? does it pay too be quiet while drifting? what about cock pit lights in the water , should they be off? And drag settings ,soft i guess? I see a few of yas have been fortunate enough to nail one of these buggers, any tips or advice would be much appreciated. Cheers Tony



Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 7:22pm
Gidday Tony, we drift around with no lights on other than running lights, as for noise we are quiet but have the stereo on but not load, our drags are enough to stop the bait pulling off the reel
 
good luck.


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Posted By: blowy
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 8:32pm
Thanks for that blue A. keen as mustard too get out again. will post results ;)


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 8:46pm
no worries mate no expert not even got one hooked a fair few up and had a blast, go get em, it is one awesome buzz when the reel is screaming, looking forward to your post weather good or bad mate, i never stop learning. give it heaps.

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Posted By: rono
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 8:53pm
the more lights you have on the better. in south africa thay put neon tubes in the water to attract the squid have a look on u/tube


Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2008 at 10:07pm
Hey... when you guys are drifting, do you have the motor running or not??  does it make a difference ??  attract or deter broardies?? 
 
Jim


Posted By: phantomdeviant
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2008 at 6:01am

The boats I've been on have all killed the motors whilst drifting. Don't know weather it atracts or deters them. I thnik I've been on about 8 broadie nights and only on 2 have we not had a touch. Yet to land one though but been so closeCry



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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2008 at 6:08am
the one I've been involved with -  we had the motors running ( twin 1200HP M.A.N), deck flood lights on, underwater bait lights on, genset cranking, stereo pumpin' and 130s hummin!

Guess I've been pretty fortunate as I've only ever done 1 and half nights sword fishing and come away with a result and that also includes a night time striped one as well....personally I could take it or leave it but one thing that stood out with the limited experience I've had was big time preparation.....the amount of time and care that went in to stitching up the squid baits and the hook placement itself was awesome, lots of thought in to the breakaway system(s)....all just trying to minimize bill wrapped and poorly hooked fish, which seems to be quite a common reason for not completing the capture was bitten.

Also working bait schools by lowering and up'ing the Squid baits to match what was on the sounder seemed to pay off......"yeah there is a dense school below us now, bring the deep bait up 15ms!"......boooooom....got 'em on!!!!

One other thing was how hard the drag was set from the get go.....sunset more or less and the call was that the crew wanted the hooks to pull early if it wasn't hooked well rather than have it fall off at the boat after a protracted fight some 10 hours later.

Pretty much that same tactic that beat the Giant Bluefin pretty quickly down south.

But like I said I've only been involved with one capture, so take the above with a grain of salt......good luck out thar sword fighters!


Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2008 at 12:11pm
cheers kezza good **** right there, its not looking too flash for a drift this weekend unfortunately as the wind is gona blow, but may get a chance to head out later in the week, gna be heading out tomorrow hopefully to slay some snaps before the wind kicks in


Posted By: blowy
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2008 at 8:22pm
What the crack with the moons? Ive heard best is with in 4 nigts of a full moon? are we wasting our time out of this out side this small window? cheers tony


Posted By: blowy
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2008 at 8:24pm
also blue A wher have ya had ya best luck?? cheers tony


Posted By: Kas
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2008 at 8:40pm
Anyone gng for a crack this weekend?


Posted By: blowy
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2008 at 8:50pm
that was the plan mate, weathers not playing the game tho,round mayor. keen as when it comes right jus unsure bout this moon carry on?


Posted By: Kas
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2008 at 9:00pm
We planing trip for mayor knolls tommorow night


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2008 at 9:00pm
my time has been out of tutukaka mate, as with the moon thing, anytime is the right time, we try and wait for the full moon, its because the weather is more settled, with the full moon set your baits deeper, as you can see from the posts there is nothing in concrete and we all have different ideas, i will stick with what i have learnt and been told by the charter boys, just waiting to have alooksee at a rig on a charter boat used for towing lure, hope to get out when the next window arrives, at the moment its crapo up here, big swell and winds no fun to be rolling around in the dark

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Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2008 at 8:28pm
hey 17898 did you end up headn out at all? we were out at brewis today and while it wasnt too bad weather wise today it gona be turning to crap tomorrow and tomorrow night bout 40knots we were hearing in the radio, good luck if your out there tonight itl be windy

we gona be waitn till the next weather window possibly next weekend




Posted By: Kas
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 11:19am
NAh wasnt to keen on tht forcast hopfully next week


Posted By: riga
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2008 at 1:57pm
as it turned out it may not have been too bad last night but today would hv been pretty average, may see you out there next week


Posted By: blowy
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2008 at 10:16pm

oh right not too famillia with the area fished the small boats this year thats about all up there. how far from the knights do you venture for em? whats been ya most sucsessful way of hookin them dead baits etc ? looks like weathers s#*! for a while yet poss next weekend aye??



Posted By: Brady Rowe
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2008 at 9:15pm
Going to the nights rise tomorrow night for drift/trawl. 
          Anyone else keen to come as crew or angler  is welcome, the 50 knot offshore should assist getting there quickly/save fuel costs.     I have some new trebble hook fast drifting squid rigs that im keen to try.


Posted By: Tone E
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2008 at 10:03pm
Pick me pick me!!!Haha yeah but what you save on the way out you'll burn on the way in...only 50 knots, it'll be un-nervingly calm...I'd never be able to sleep


Posted By: blowy
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2008 at 10:04pm
Well finally got out for a drift on tues night behind mayor, got started bit later than planed due to losing sight of our dropper... however got 2 baits down one at 30 an one 70 at 715 pm checking every half hour. threw a baited squid hook on a snapper rod out the back under float only too hook a 2-2and half metre mako which provided entertainment for fourty mins or so before dropping the hook at the boat. Woke too a screaming 80w at 215 am after recovering the other line, itightened the drag up 2 3rds the way not slowing at all soon busting off. not too sure what went on there pretty certain was a shark but leader was broken 1 metre down just above where my weight was taped??? was heavally grazed up. was 560 lb high abraision 8 mtre size 14 super mutu squid bait light stick 1.5 mtres up and 32 oz sinker 7mtres up?? re rigged both lines got them over one got a couple of touches with in 20 mins pulled a bit of string an let go. after inspecting leader found grazing between bait an light an bottom of squid gone.. broadbill?? i dont know would like too think so. i wonder if possibly going too a smaller hook and 2 hook rig might be better . altho we had large squid the hook was not that well covered and i wonder if it maybe felt that straight away???  did spot something surfacing moving bloody fast at one stage, to slow with the light looked too be of reasonable size with brown back silver sides??? apart from that dropped another shark at day break. keen as for another crack at it when weather allows. had very light nw on tues worked well drifting around 1 knot most of the night.


Posted By: jakepitsville
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 6:24pm
hey guys - been reading up on this old topic and its got me and a mate frothing at the mouth ----  only problem is i only have 50w's ----  can it be done on 24kg?  is it possible to run braid or something on my penn 50sw top shot a few hundred meters or is this a bad idea  I live bait and troll for stripies also....  is this just a stupid idea to be out that far in the surtees 5.5 on a calm night.. I am keen.. Yet to lose my V plates on a stripie yet also - lost a couple grrr...  most people seem to be running J hooks? why not circle...


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 7:12pm
mate it can be done on 15 but then Murphy fishes too you will have your work cut out for you though, good luck where you going from.

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Posted By: jakepitsville
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 8:14pm

what time of year is it best to head out for a swordie?



Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 8:39pm
end of game season on wards mate, where r u going to set out from.

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Posted By: jakepitsville
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 8:45pm
umm doubtless is where im at...


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 9:16pm
ok you have my pm, 

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Posted By: chipmunk
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2014 at 11:50am
Hi Guys, am looking at having a crack at one of these beasts in the day time off Waihau Bay, would anybody be prepared to point me in the right direction in regards to depth, structure, position, etc cheers


Posted By: shaneg
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2014 at 10:00pm
Suggest holes of about 400 meters plus, although never been to Waihau.
I like camdogs second rig on first page, with two lights.
If fishing an IGFA comp best keep trace legal to your mono though.
Heard you don't need braid and only need to set baits at about 100 meters on nylon and broady will come up from depths to take bait... even in day it would seem.
Wouldn't  two hooks be better in bait maybe one big j-hook in tentacles  and one circle in top of mantle.
Tastes good that broady - when fresh and battered as we tried tonight!
But personally I wouldn't target them, unless I had a bigger boat.
Those swords look very dangerous to me and they are a very heavy looking fish.  Also be hard to release in good condition I'd expect.
 
Jake you be surprised what can be achieved on 24kg, but probably depends on how big a fish takes your bait. Under 180 kg might be OK, if your careful.
 
 
 


Posted By: chipmunk
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2014 at 8:06am
Thanks Shaneg, mate I've probably bitten off a bit more than I can chew considering I hav'nt even caught a marlin but what the heck, I'm gunna give it a go, just never know. cheers


Posted By: sink
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2014 at 2:05pm
go hard chipmunkThumbs Up


Posted By: 90 mile bar crusher
Date Posted: 31 May 2014 at 2:34pm
Hey fullas, what are the best times of year for different areas?


Posted By: The Apprentice
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2014 at 6:41pm
Yea hi lads very interesting read on a Monday just wondering if I could go out for a mission out to mayor some time I will pay for fuel and food just want to see one of these powerful fish in real life


Posted By: kiwi phill
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2014 at 8:28pm
Hi
What colour light are best used ,,,,I have got some that flash white..green..red.......activate on contact with water....

Good thread.........Cheers Phill

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Posted By: Jiggy Jig
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2014 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by riga riga wrote:

that would have been awesome thanks BA, we may rig up something similar then if we decide to have a troll around, definatly gona take out the squid jig or two, even if we dont need it for bait that night we can use it for another time or for a feed

gamefish we organised the box through the auckland fish market auctions, a 25kg box should last us for awhile

when we are setting up for the drift are we looking to drift over as much structure as possible or is it more of a matter of locating a school of baitfish and setting up a drift through them

chur


How do I get a box of squid from the Auckland Fish Markets - is an inside connection required or can Joe Blow go there and buy? Chhers JJWink

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Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 12:39pm
its available to anyone mate just bowl up and buy


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Posted By: AlexFyssher
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by Jiggy Jig Jiggy Jig wrote:

Originally posted by riga riga wrote:

that would have been awesome thanks BA, we may rig up something similar then if we decide to have a troll around, definatly gona take out the squid jig or two, even if we dont need it for bait that night we can use it for another time or for a feed

gamefish we organised the box through the auckland fish market auctions, a 25kg box should last us for awhile

when we are setting up for the drift are we looking to drift over as much structure as possible or is it more of a matter of locating a school of baitfish and setting up a drift through them

chur




How do I get a box of squid from the Auckland Fish Markets - is an inside connection required or can Joe Blow go there and buy? Chhers JJWink


$10 a KG. Roll up and pick the nice big ones off the ice. they're about a KG each.


Posted By: atis
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 3:06pm
Matt Watson had a nice squid shaped plastic lure in the last Fishing Show. Would anyone know where to get those?



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Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 3:25pm
Steve Angus has some ( swordfish steve )


Posted By: kiwi phill
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 5:26pm


The lure is 300 mm or 12 inches at about $ 29 each plus postage at $ 2.60

The lights I import are 65mm and flash with contact of water...150 hrs is maker time frame

Flash blue red green white and very bright..

Dry of and stops flashing

300 meters deep is advise from makers....Im doing them directly in line as traces and 16/0 circle hook s/s

Hope this is what your looking for and this is not spamming just answering question......Cheers Phill

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Posted By: Jiggy Jig
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 6:12pm
Originally posted by AlexFyssher AlexFyssher wrote:

Originally posted by Jiggy Jig Jiggy Jig wrote:

Originally posted by riga riga wrote:

that would have been awesome thanks BA, we may rig up something similar then if we decide to have a troll around, definatly gona take out the squid jig or two, even if we dont need it for bait that night we can use it for another time or for a feed

gamefish we organised the box through the auckland fish market auctions, a 25kg box should last us for awhile

when we are setting up for the drift are we looking to drift over as much structure as possible or is it more of a matter of locating a school of baitfish and setting up a drift through them

chur




How do I get a box of squid from the Auckland Fish Markets - is an inside connection required or can Joe Blow go there and buy? Chhers JJWink


$10 a KG. Roll up and pick the nice big ones off the ice. they're about a KG each.
Cool thanks Wink

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Posted By: Jiggy Jig
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by kiwi phill kiwi phill wrote:



The lure is 300 mm or 12 inches at about $ 29 each plus postage at $ 2.60

The lights I import are 65mm and flash with contact of water...150 hrs is maker time frame

Flash blue red green white and very bright..

Dry of and stops flashing

300 meters deep is advise from makers....Im doing them directly in line as traces and 16/0 circle hook s/s

Hope this is what your looking for and this is not spamming just answering question......Cheers Phill
I've dropped thes to 350m and they were still working when they came up....... Thumbs Up

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Posted By: camdog
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 6:36pm
you would be very limited fishing in 350m

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Posted By: :Hunter:
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 6:41pm
http://www.hookerfishingtackle.com/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ehookerfishingtackle%2ecom%2f&WD=squid&PN=Soft_Squid%2ehtml%23a12_20Squid#a12_20Squid

Check this guy out, his squid are only $6. He also sells good quality lights and all the gear you need for broadies. Good guy to deal with too, always seems to be an extra goodie or two when the parcel arrives.



Posted By: kiwi phill
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 8:22pm
These are not skirts but tough squids that last and last...........Phill

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Posted By: :Hunter:
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 8:35pm
Are you suggesting the hooker ones are skirts Phil? I have used the rubber squids he sells and they are tough and definitely squid look alike s, not skirts. I used them as a daisy chain and at $6 each they are pretty cheap buying.

Just an option to Atis who was asking where to buy them from.


Posted By: atis
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 9:20pm
I was really after some squiddy skirts... and get them stuffed with skippy  like here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_EP6QyI8RA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_EP6QyI8RA

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Posted By: Jiggy Jig
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2014 at 10:01pm
Originally posted by camdog camdog wrote:

you would be very limited fishing in 350m
Not at all - I'm just stating that those lights go to 350m and are still working when they come back up - the blue nose didn't seem to like them though ...............

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Posted By: kiwi phill
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2014 at 8:05am
Originally posted by :Hunter: :Hunter: wrote:

Are you suggesting the hooker ones are skirts Phil? I have used the rubber squids he sells and they are tough and definitely squid look alike s, not skirts. I used them as a daisy chain and at $6 each they are pretty cheap buying.

Just an option to Atis who was asking where to buy them from.

Going by his photo its actually had to really see them...All i know is at that pricing and what i see where i buy they can not be the same as buying overs involves a lot of freight costs and the price listed is the freight cost for 3 of the ones i have imported in the past.Also not buy came back to re new as last so well............Phill


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Posted By: kiwi phill
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2014 at 8:15am
Originally posted by Jiggy Jig Jiggy Jig wrote:

Originally posted by camdog camdog wrote:

you would be very limited fishing in 350m
Not at all - I'm just stating that those lights go to 350m and are still working when they come back up - the blue nose didn't seem to like them though ...............


The forces st 350 m and deeper will be huge so if ok at 350 maybe need testing by you deep sea fishing guys..Think might be surprising....

Can offer one rig for trial when new s/s rings arrive as whats on them only took 25 lbs and new will be 80 lbs test.........I add the light inline with 16/0  4 x s/s circle hook and 30 oz sinker main trace is 350 lbs nylon # 10 b/b s/s black swivel....
I test every thing to at leasts 50 lbs


One rig only will be sent free to  approved fisho...................Phill



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Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2014 at 8:35am
I thought this was worth posting again :) Geoff Stones Seminar on how he does it !




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Posted By: Gowest
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2014 at 12:28pm
Kiwi Phill the lights will need to be able to go 500 - 600m deep when deep dropping for swords mate and the squids that the guys are looking at here are hollow as some guys will put a strip bait inside them, my 2c


Posted By: Gowest
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2014 at 12:34pm
Does anyone pay particular attention to moon phases when hunting the gladiator day dropping? Ive read that people do take it into consideration when fishing for them at night but haven't heard much about day dropping? Is there a particular moon phase when they really get bitting? Also does anyone on here ever check out tides4fishing.com?



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