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Originally posted by Dan19585 Dan19585 wrote:

There is absolutely no downside to becoming a better caster. None.
And becoming a better caster will also make you a better fisherman, and you will catch more fish.
If someone is happy with their level of casting ability, that's fine. But to mock others who try to improve their skills isn't. On average, the casting in this country isn't very good, and a lot of people don't realise how easy it is to make some big improvements.
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There isn't a downside but there is an opportunity cost obviously. I don't think anyone was mocking anyone. I think the reverse is true too, ie you shouldn't mock people content with their substandard casting ability either.
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There is a wealth of good casting material available at no cost or effort.       What could be simpler than looking things up on the Internet and going out on the lawn or to a nearby park and practicing a few times for half an hour.     What could be simpler.    
And I am not talking about perfectionism here just getting a bit better with every practice.     I case you have already tried the " high end rod" option and are still struggling find a good casting instructor.    It is money well spent.     

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I've read a lot of information about casting on the net and watch the odd Mel Krieger youtube video, mostly when it's raining or dark outside, no opportunity cost there. 

The time consuming part is standing out on the lawn practising and building "muscle memory" to implement it all and get some consistency. Tight loops = less room for error, so need a fair bit of practise to be always getting it right without any tailing loops. I realise it's not all about loop size, but just as an example.

A while ago I fished with a guy who was effortlessly casting out amazingly tight loops, and could do all that fancy triple double spey what nots (it's a good thing I hadn't been talking myself up before we went fishing LOL). It all looked very nice and I figured I wouldn't mind being able to do that. Not long after, I got an update on my facebook page that he'd just completed his MCI. LOL
Yeah he obviously spent a fair bit of time on his casting. I don't think I could learn to cast beautifully like him overnight.
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Originally posted by skunk'd_again skunk'd_again wrote:

Originally posted by Dan19585 Dan19585 wrote:

There is absolutely no downside to becoming a better caster. None.
And becoming a better caster will also make you a better fisherman, and you will catch more fish.
If someone is happy with their level of casting ability, that's fine. But to mock others who try to improve their skills isn't. On average, the casting in this country isn't very good, and a lot of people don't realise how easy it is to make some big improvements.
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There isn't a downside but there is an opportunity cost obviously. I don't think anyone was mocking anyone. I think the reverse is true too, ie you shouldn't mock people content with their substandard casting ability either.

Not sure how I was mocking anyone. If you read it again, I said if someone is happy with their level of casting, that's fine. But it is a bit foolish to say, as Fraser did, that if someone wants to be a better caster, they need to be a nerd with an anorak and a notebook and have some certificates.
As Rainbow said, spending an hour out in the park or backyard a few times doesn't have much of an opportunity cost, except maybe missing Shortland Street....
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Nah you weren't mocking anyone, I was more referring to Rainbow's comments about there being nothing more pathetic than a poor caster with a nice rod.

Dan, I dunno, Fraser has a point ie. some guys really take it to extremes. LOL

I have a big lawn here, and practise a bit. At first I improved in leaps and bounds, but now it doesn't really have much effect after my level plateaued. For me to get any more improvement will require significant work. But I suspect I'm a slower learner than most. Actually my priorities are probably all wrong. I should just forget lawn maintenance and use the time to practise casting in a park. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Fraser Hocks Fraser Hocks wrote:

Originally posted by bazza bazza wrote:

Possibly for the same reason that most of us would like to own a Maserati even tho we probably lack the skill to drive it to its full potential.

 
Nail,  head, hit! BazzaWink
 
Im a reasonable caster, that owns an array of rods from $1,000+ to $100 cheapies.  Sure I know I could learn study and practice to be a better caster but I don't own the anorak and notebook that it takes to become a flyfishing nerd that has oodles of certificates to there name in regards to casting.  
 
Sure id love to be a better caster, but do I want to sacrifice my weekends learning to be a better caster, rather than just getting out there in the fantastic NZ countryside and actually catching fish? I think we all know the answer!


I believe we have found the reason you had such a dry spell this season past while some of us were nailing it. If you practice your casting: 10 minutes on the grass, 2 times a week you will become a much better caster and I don't believe you could give me a downside to that.
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That's what all the casting nerds are for skunk'd: it often takes only moments to identify someone's reason for their plateau and get them progressing again.
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Originally posted by Chris Dore Chris Dore wrote:

Originally posted by Fraser Hocks Fraser Hocks wrote:

Originally posted by bazza bazza wrote:

Possibly for the same reason that most of us would like to own a Maserati even tho we probably lack the skill to drive it to its full potential.

 
Nail,  head, hit! BazzaWink
 
Im a reasonable caster, that owns an array of rods from $1,000+ to $100 cheapies.  Sure I know I could learn study and practice to be a better caster but I don't own the anorak and notebook that it takes to become a flyfishing nerd that has oodles of certificates to there name in regards to casting.  
 
Sure id love to be a better caster, but do I want to sacrifice my weekends learning to be a better caster, rather than just getting out there in the fantastic NZ countryside and actually catching fish? I think we all know the answer!


I believe we have found the reason you had such a dry spell this season past while some of us were nailing it. If you practice your casting: 10 minutes on the grass, 2 times a week you will become a much better caster and I don't believe you could give me a downside to that.


Nail, head, hit! ChrisEmbarrassed
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You guys are right it does not take to much to learn good technique or to add  a couple casts that help increase presentation, it helps catch fish.....I agree with Bazza, about owning a Maserati, however being actually able to drive it any where near its potential takes .........practice.  On the Scott/Sage front as I have been around awhile now and have a rod or two ( and hate selling any, hope wife doesn't read this) I have recently tried then purchased a TFO Axiom well under half the price of some in my stable, and in my mind ( or whats left of it) equal in distance and far far better  close up.  really worth a look, had to upsize the line weight for each rod to get it to load properly, ( not unsual in fast rods)  which made me think it may not work so well close in.... well I was wrong, will be my first choice this year. Cheers
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