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So, freshwater eels - should they feature on the NZ records list? Why, why not?
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the huge ones are getting pretty rare .
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Conger, moray, blind and snake aren't on the list, so why consider a freshwater eel?

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The big ones 'are not' the breeders  im pretty sure? I read somewhere they get big due to not going off to spawn and they stay put. 
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Not good to answer a question with a question ( or 2!), but...
 
Are there set criteria for why there are or aren't records for fish?
If not why not?
And then, by default, Freshwater eels either fit or not.
 
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Originally posted by JamesHB JamesHB wrote:

The big ones 'are not' the breeders  im pretty sure? I read somewhere they get big due to not going off to spawn and they stay put. 

They breed off Tonga and die there, hence if they are here they have not bred, why would they protect the bigger ones if they were not going to breed? 

They are protected in some lakes and waterways (Lake Rotoiti for example) which are far inland and have older populations. 

They are rather fatty in places and don't taste that nice - the one we cooked was out of an old Kauri dam and the water was pretty stagnant. 


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Originally posted by sAsLEX sAsLEX wrote:

 

They breed off Tonga and die there, hence if they are here they have not bred, why would they protect the bigger ones if they were not going to breed? 

They are protected in some lakes and waterways (Lake Rotoiti for example) which are far inland and have older populations. 

They are rather fatty in places and don't taste that nice - the one we cooked was out of an old Kauri dam and the water was pretty stagnant. 




"The really big eels are reputed to be infertile females that never returned to the sea or perhaps couldn't."

http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/biggest-eels-in-nz_topic67668.html?KW=eel
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what UJ said
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Did you shoot a big fresh water eel DD?
Go hard or die trying.
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I go eeling lots you have to know how to prepare em. They vary a lot from place to place. I have got some big ones lately in a secret spot that have smoked up awesome. On sat I took my 4 year old son out and tried to go upstream to have a go. I enquired in a farm house as to access for my son and I. The guy said definitely not theres a crazy old lady who tells everyone you cant eel there and aparently feeds them and has a couple of big pet ones in there. Come to think of it two large ones came right up to my burley and were very friendly before I gaffed em. Ill have to thank the old girl next time I see her for fattening them up for me.





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Originally posted by Crippy Crippy wrote:

Did you shoot a big fresh water eel DD?
Hah! Good question Crippy! No, I wouldn't.
One of our young up and coming divers who may have choked from a winning position after the first day at the Nationals may have speared one. Not saying who though.
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Originally posted by JamesHB JamesHB wrote:

Originally posted by sAsLEX sAsLEX wrote:

 

They breed off Tonga and die there, hence if they are here they have not bred, why would they protect the bigger ones if they were not going to breed? 

They are protected in some lakes and waterways (Lake Rotoiti for example) which are far inland and have older populations. 

They are rather fatty in places and don't taste that nice - the one we cooked was out of an old Kauri dam and the water was pretty stagnant. 




"The really big eels are reputed to be infertile females that never returned to the sea or perhaps couldn't."

http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/biggest-eels-in-nz_topic67668.html?KW=eel


Interestingly I was at Lake Rotoiti when they were doing the night diving for the Discovery Channel bit, had gone down to feed them some rabbit but they wouldn't eat it at all, tried a number of times but they don't like fresh rabbit, but ham on the bone they go into a frenzy over! 
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I believe the current theory is that the big  long fins do in fact go off to breed. They just take a while to do it.  The large long fins conservation status is "At risk, declining" so probably not a good idea to encourage the spearing of them.  Although the commercial take and habitat destruction is the main cause for their decline.  Eels are probably the most speared fish in the country.  

I would stick to only targeting the common Short Fin eels, and see no reason why they should not be included in the New Zealand records. 

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ThomasW, that is a well considered post (and unfailingly moderate, as all your posts are) but I would have to question the statement that eels are probably the most speared fish in the country.

I imagine butterfish hold that heady title, but I have no evidence at all to back that up. Perhaps flounder come second?
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I think they should be on the list. Lots of people take eels for food - they would have to be one of the species which has the longest history of being used for food in this country. I am not sure if there is much glamour in holding the eel record, but the same can be said for congers and drummer.  Regardless of whether it is on the list or not, you are not giong to see a flood of divers wiping out the waterways to get a record eel, so I don't think fishery conservation status is a consideration. 

I assume we have rules about how much of a diver you must be to spear a record fish - presumably fully immersed is the rule?
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I can go along with that TSW.  Fully submerged, sort of.  I imagine the record would still go for a yellowfin tuna shot from the surface as he's crashing through a bait ball.
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I shot a snapper standing on a rock a wee while back while sorting my floatline out.  Man, I'd have been gutted if it was 16kg and the record claim had been rejected because I wasn't fully submerged.
Lucky for Pat I didn't have to punch him out, because it was only 7kg.
 
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Why is being fully or partly submerged any more sporting then spearing one from the surface? 

Is wading up to your waist partly submerged, how about wading up to your chest?


I suppose the spearing record would not make much of a difference for the survival chances of long fins, although the truly big ones are now very rare so would be a shame if they were specifically targeted. 


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