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Well it was in the early stages of tying creases and I'd like to think I tie them a hell of a lot better now... but here it is ... http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/tying-the-crease-fly_topic19265.html

Tying is identical AHab, just make them a bit smaller. Depends on what size Kahawai you're going for because for the better Kahawai worth casting for (2 kg plus) they eat the 4/0's as well as the Kingies.

I have changed my tying of them a lot lately. I don't use long shanks anymore, I like shorter shanks and BIG cup faces for maximum water movement, they look uglier but work better. 

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That's the one mate.

I've also changed a few bits as the years have gone on.
I've stuck to 34007's - 1/0 and 2/0 are excellent sizes and really give a big stir up when needed - Big ones also get a swim when conditions are right.
Another good tip is when designing that face, make it a forward cupped face rather than slanted or experiment with your own design. Sometimes that skitter is better than the bloop and vice versa.

One thing if you re-read that thread is that it's super important to get weight at the bottom of the fly. If you don't and then epoxy over it, the flies sometimes tend to swim on their sides depending on where the weight of the epoxy runs and sets to.

It's not a major disaster if the fly sits a little deeper in the water either.
As the fish rush up to attack, it's easier for them to crunch it as opposed to those super high riding jobs that tend to move away at the worst possible time....usually when the fish has the mouth open and charging forward.

If you want these things to be bullet proof, go the route of putting a mylar tubing over them and epoxying it. It's a tedious exercise, but man, they come up looking like a million bucks!
The fish don't care either way if you don't do this, so don't sweat it.
I tend to mark them with permanent markers to mimic local baitfish colours too.

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Here are some creases I tied up a week or so ago.



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Thanks Kev and Clark, useful stuff.

I have some tubing and plenty of time at the mo'.

Out of interest, Kev, how do you rate the good old 34007 Mustad? 

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Originally posted by Ahab Ahab wrote:

.............Out of interest, Kev, how do you rate the good old 34007 Mustad? 


Hey Tom,

Ah mate, it's a love/hate relationship with these things.

I have literally thousands of 34007's that are the old hook before they changed to Chinese manufacturing.
Not long ago I had a dummy spit because a big snapper crunched a hook and I ended up losing it.

In having said that, they were the go to hook for many many years in salt water and some great fish were caught on them. As with most things in life, technology goes forward and better hooks get designed and made.

The hooks are fine for most species if you know the limitations of the hook and fish within them, then they don't open up. I love fishing light tippets in general - 4 and 6kg being my favourite.

The newer hooks are definitely weaker than the originals and open up - no sugar coating it.Ouch
You can also see the quality of the finish on them - almost tinny.
(I was sent some new ones just recently and did my own unscientific tests.) Connected them up to strong dacron and a set of scales and pulled in different angles to mimic the fight.
The size was 2/0 as this is my go to size really - most opened up at about 4.5 kg or thereabouts.

The older ones are fine for Kahawai and a range of other fish, but if you're hooked up to a fish of a lifetime, I would like to know I'm connected with something decent.

Everyone is going to have their own opinions, so what is good for one might not be for the other or vice versa.

34007's work great for Creasies though in my humble opinion.

What I also do like about the 34007's is that they are easily available, relatively cheap and you can put an edge on them that you'd be able to shave with.
You can also retouch them up time and again unlike the chemically sharpened hooks.
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Interesting, thanks Kev.

I too started with them when they were the only hook available. I also really like how well they sharpen up. 

I know what you mean about the "tinniness" of the new ones. Not something I've used.

My current hook of choice outside those superb Mustads you sold me is the VMC Walleye. They're not dedictated fly hooks, but the eye is in line and only slightly kinked back. Very strong for the size, and not chemically sharpened.

I actually find that I can sharpen chemically sharpened hooks up OK. The sharpened area tends to rust faster than the surrounding hook, though.
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clouser 2clousersa few newbie clousers so far....
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Beaut flies, Craig! Not the work of a newbie at all.
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just been watching and copying the videos on www.intheriffle.com  a few more i want o try ....picked up some supplies from rod and reel today.....
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They'll go all right for sure!

Cool tie.
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Yeah ,nice work buddy
 
Looks like abit of ya Boatbuilding eye for detail coming threw thereClap
 
The charteuse over white is actually my favourite Salt Fly,
Lefty Krehs Caught 90 different species of Fish on that patternCool
 
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a few more done.....
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Beauties, Craig- highly professional clousers. Those crazy charlies will be real snapper killers. I like that style of fly for smaller snaps. They can get the whole thing in their mouths in a single gulp, whereas the longer flies, they seem to grab at.

Keep 'em coming!
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I've been experimenting with rabbit on articulated shanks. Going for a piper here. 



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first attempt at a crab.....got some normal legs coming soon....
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Great Crab , keep fishing it once the legs have gone and you have a good looking baby flounder. I have found the baby flounder flies work really well from December onwards. Best thing I have found is to stake out a mud/sand  flat when it is really glassy and look for the tiny fee wakes as the little guys try to evade the predators, if the fish remain un spooked you can see snapper try to take them from the surface!
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More beaut work, Craig! I've never tied a crab or a flounder, but you've inspired me. Planning a big night at bench this eve.

After reading Nicolaj's Big Angry Fish articles about kings eating squid, I'm all keyed up to tie a few patterns, especially after what Craig W said here about big snapper being in close and eating squid. Maybe get a chance at both kings and squid-snaffling uber-snaps!

In particular, it was interesting what Nicolaj said about white squid= dead, red squid = absolutely petrified and about to be gulped down by a king. Accordingly, I now have a lot of red material to play with. I'd never thought about this before, and all my previous squid patterns were white, like I'm used to seeing squid for bait/food. Silly mistake now I think about it- all the squid I've seen in the water have been every single colour except white.
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