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Just as a reference those are small Mackerel above the JD
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That's terrible. No size limit for them?
Talk about jeuvenile
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Only a handful of fish have a size limit.
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Yeah, that is correct Mike.  Still doesn't make it morally correct though... We are likely to see more of this sort of thing if there is a 'land all catch' law for commercial fishers...

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Cant win with some can you. You dont want the commercial to dump it so when its put up for sale regardless of size you still not happy. Remember some cultures may like the smaller fish, just saying is all.
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When i was in japan.....i saw really small kingies for sale.......would imagine their fish glow in the dark these days!
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True Tzer, hard to find a happy compromise so that minimum amounts of juvenile fish are landed but any by-catch is used and not wasted....
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Originally posted by Tzer Tzer wrote:

Cant win with some can you. You dont want the commercial to dump it so when its put up for sale regardless of size you still not happy. Remember some cultures may like the smaller fish, just saying is all.

Would be great if it wasn't netted in the first place, just saying
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Originally posted by Tonto2 Tonto2 wrote:

Originally posted by Tzer Tzer wrote:

Cant win with some can you. You dont want the commercial to dump it so when its put up for sale regardless of size you still not happy. Remember some cultures may like the smaller fish, just saying is all.

Would be great if it wasn't netted in the first place, just saying

I agree with you!
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Originally posted by Olfart Olfart wrote:

Yeah, that is correct Mike.  Still doesn't make it morally correct though... We are likely to see more of this sort of thing if there is a 'land all catch' law for commercial fishers...

yes by landing all catch the markets hopefully will say,do not bring this shyte in,and in turn may force a net change.
ending up in the supermarket we recc fisherman go thats wrong but mrs smith will say thats not a bad price.
end of day bigger nets and out of nurseries?
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should be cheaper if anything, likely they will toss it if nobody buys it at that price.
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Originally posted by Tzer Tzer wrote:

Cant win with some can you. You dont want the commercial to dump it so when its put up for sale regardless of size you still not happy. Remember some cultures may like the smaller fish, just saying is all.
 

True that Craig just a crying shame seeing baby Johnies for sale, yes asians in particular love small fish and prefer over large, when I was in Singapore I fished and we caught maybe 90-100 fish most were about six inches long and the meal was amazing that night, whole fish gilled and gutted in a light batter and deep fried served with all sorts of sauces and spices, the fish you could eat from head to tail and munch through every bone, was divine.
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the only reason they catch these baby fish is because they will not change their nets over to the new technology that the rest of the world is using,

you can not keep catching fish that have not spawned without hurting the population in the long run...

just BLOODY IDIOTS if you ask me...
 
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Thank you Eric.  That is exactly the point I was trying make....
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Originally posted by Lethal Lethal wrote:

the only reason they catch these baby fish is because they will not change their nets over to the new technology that the rest of the world is using,

you can not keep catching fish that have not spawned without hurting the population in the long run...

just BLOODY IDIOTS if you ask me...
 

you can not keep catching fish that have not spawned without hurting the population in the long run..

NO mate you cannot the population is being diminished.

Baby Johnies are in the same net as baby; gurnard, tarakihi, snapper and so on...Cry
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Originally posted by Tonto2 Tonto2 wrote:

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What supermarket is it? Is it in New Zealand?
Its just shocking...!!!!
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looks like PAK'nSAVE label could be wrong,

if it is then they need to be told the rights and wrongs of putting this sort of crap on their shelves,
if the super markets back up the fact selling this size fish is unsustainable we may get a point across
to MPI this is not how you run a fishery...

just thinking out loud now:
how come this size JD is not being sent to USA who purchase virtually all our JDs????
whats the bet they refuse to take any this small...
 

Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing
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We have a culture change which also means cultural cooking
NZ is one odd, the very few countries that have not taken up eating small fish over the centuries.
Even The British isles eat small mackerel
We have small macks and sardines in tins right?

So we now have a market for those small fish....the bait fish which bring in the bigger fish
And one thing that is noticeable recently is the lack of bait fish numbers.
Also the number of gannets diving into herded bait fish..
And the lack of KY under these bait fish....
Where have the big schools of big KY gone?  

If the commercial fishermen are having problems getting snapper and other quota cheaply, then they will and are hitting the unlimited bait fish and KY.....scooping up the gurnard and JD s which have no size limits

Basically open season on non quota limit fish...

If thats all that economically left in our harbours and sounds, what the hell do u expect the commercial guys to go after to pay their mortgage, put food on their tables?

This is representative of the true state of our inner harbours, gulf , sounds fishing resources....
lets all go sign another petition to change things... all the rest over the last 40 yrs has done squat...well more accurate things have got worse....the next one will change it.... right?

Or maybe everyone turning up to vote with a boat or jet ski, or kayak, at 1 pm will send a message to the next government being formed...inner harbour , gulf and sounds, inside the 100m mark really matters.. no sighs just turn up and vote at 1pm, at the most central  CBD voting booth in your electorate.
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To those that would support a land all catch policy... You're not going to rebuild our fishery by legitimising what is wrong with it. The commercial sector will find a market for juvenile fish. Hoping they won't is folly.

Rather than legalising what is wrong, you have to sort out the problem - archaic, destructive trawling.
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