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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 at 6:04pm |
hey all,
I have recently purchased a soft plastic set with 10lb braid, i have searched the forums for a knot to join the braid to a top shot of nylon/other trace materials and can't seem to find one (i am sure this has been covered).
So if anyone has one that is easy or can be learnt easily, it would be much appreciated.
I am aware braid cuts through nylon easily when you have fish on so not sure if it has the same principal when tying them together? Or is it better to have the braid tied directly to the soft plastic?
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Brendon
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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 at 8:18pm |
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I had the same problem 2 weeks ago.(put up a post in the sp thread)
I was told to have a 2m trace of around 20lb fluorocarbon and use double uniknots to join the 2 together.
Hope this helps.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 at 8:58pm |
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yeah as dohboy said tie back to back uni knots to lock against each
other. Nice easy knot and no swivels required. However would recommend
practicing this knot (like any new knot) a few times as I lost a couple
of good fish to ****e uni to uni knots when i first started tying them.
and flurocarbon IMO is the best bet for your trace line.
I go a bit longer than 2m trace tho as mainly fish off the rocks. Trace
is long enough for a few wraps around the reel and then can handle the
traceline to get the fish in. Dont really wanna be handling the braid
too much as like you say it cuts pretty easy
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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 at 9:47pm |
deacs this is a really good knot site
http://www.animatedknots.com/
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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 at 9:49pm |
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i usually use the albright knot
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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 at 11:59pm |
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Yup double uni but I double my braid so it's a similar diameter to fluro and gives extra strength as well
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 7:06am |
 -MADFIS HO- wrote:
Yup double uni but I double my braid so it's a similar diameter to fluro and gives extra strength as well |
dam i always forget to mention that - tie a short double in the braid. Gives you two lines to tie that are a bit closer in daimeter to each other.
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 8:58am |
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Cheers guys i have been using the double uni knot to good effect with nylon to nylon. Will have to go and purchase some flurocarbon today!
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 9:07am |
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Hay Guys watch the aus in the berckly dvd & tie the five turn sergon knot it,s not bad cheers
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 9:34am |
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Hi there,
Learn a bimini, make them nice and short, about 1 m, that way you can
wrap them back down themselves by yourself. Sounds a bit crazy but you
can do it in a rough sea under 2 minutes with a bit of practice.
As JK says, doubles are the way, and bimini's and plaits are the best, biminis are a bit easier to tie though,
Then a 5 turn surgeon, or a uni to uni, or anything from the double line to the leader.
Its near impossible to break a proper bimini with a same line class
rated rod on the market today, except some of the heavy jigging rods
and game rods.
I use this for 80lb braid to 80lb nylon to 1kg nylon.
With braid I do 70 turns, 80lb nylon about 30, 50lb nylon about 50 turns.
Take the plunge and enjoy absolute faith in your knots.
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 12:51pm |
This is the knot I like to use for joining braid and mono, damn good!! thanks to Lethal... and the two don't have to be a similar breaking strain either, like 14lb braid tied to say 50lb flouro trace......very handy knot.....
Just make sure you do exactly as shown in the bottom final part, this is crucial....
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 1:35pm |
And..... the way to tie the doubler is a good old fashioned figure 8 knot. I think Lethal also recommends 7 turns around the doubler when tying braid. I add a few more for good measure.
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 1:52pm |
That is a good knot shimma.
I use it for my mono to mono leaders but forgot about it for braid. Will have to give it a go
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 6:01pm |
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JK, give the mono more turns than the 3 shown, like maybe 6-7. Also some fishos like to make the braid loop about 6" long and then use this as a single piece of braid and then make the loop, twice the grip, I guess for the mono to hang onto,and 'bite down', hope you can make sense of that!! cheers....Jim
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 7:32pm |
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shimma thats a albright knot
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 8:19pm |
This is the Albright, empty, easy to see the difference when scrolling between the two. Lethals knot isn't threaded thru at the start it just starts wrapping, over, then back down. This knot here, winds from the start up then back over itself, 12-13 times!! Lethals only has 3 twists,a different knot,tho similar in it's final look....Theres no name for Lethals one, as far as i know. YOU THERE LETHAL? Care to comment,
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 9:00pm |
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i see said the blind man ,now you mention it i see the slight difference
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 9:01pm |
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Is the Deckies knot a variation of that Shimma?
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 9:05pm |
jim just trid tieing it and its quick and easy ,might have to use that instead of the albright 
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 at 9:36pm |
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Moocha, I'm not sure I know the 'Deckies' knot. Maybe someone else can answer?
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